Rifle flush with body, gun barrel under chin, clue...

[mike tesko]

So according to your theory the cops waited until after 8.15 to shoot Sheila......nearly a full hour after they entered the house.  Mindblowing stuff.   

I didn't say they waited until 8:15am to shoot and kill Sheila, those are your words, and as you say quite mind blowing. Police did not shoot Sheila under the chin until after 9am, actually. Telephone intercept was shut down at about 8:15am, as confirmed by police documents...

You decide whether or not you want to believe what is contained in these police documents, if you choose not to believe it then of course you leave yourself open to the suggestion that you are agreeing that police have lied over this / that matter...

[mike tesko]

Why on earth would a police officer want to shoot Sheila with a .22 rifle??  Do you know how stupid that sounds??

Not so absurd actually, in the circumstances it occurred in...

[jim ignatowski]

Hi Mike,
You have previously accepted that you do not have in your physical  possession a photograph of Sheila which depicts a single bullet wound to her neck area but that said photograph is stored on the hard drive of your computer. I repeat my offer to you - I will personally pay the cost of a computer expert to examine the hard drive of your computer for the purpose of retrieving that photograph.
The existence of this photograph would go a long, long way of proving the truth of your contention that the Police (accidentally or otherwise) shot Sheila.
Will you accept my offer?

[rhodes]

But that is what they did, and that is how absurd your suggestion is?

When they found her she only had a solitary wound, but by the time PC Bird took his pictures of Sheila's body on the floor by the side of the bed she had two, each entry wound inflicted by a different weapon - which caused the police to replace the original fragmented bullet (PV/2) with a substituted whole control bullet which was later fired during unreported test firings of rifle "Y"...

You can choose to live in cloud cuckoo land, and believe what you want to, the facts speak for themselves...

You do not substitute a crime scene bullet (PV/20) which was badly fragmented when the pathologist removed it from her neck with a whole control bullet so that you can say that it was fired via and by use of rifle "Y", unless you are trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes to cover up for the fact that two different weapons were used to shoot and kill Sheila? This is exactly what the police have done - why?

Pure dribble man.   You are inventing facts to fit your own theories which dont hold water for a moment.  Sheila was unconscious from the moment she was shot...........she never moved from that moment on.  Read the pathologists report. 



Sheila was well dead by the time PC Bird got to the scene and had two bullet wounds to her neck. There are no photos showing one wound to her neck since the second shot was made within moments of the first shot.  Again refer to the pathologists report.


The second bullet was fragmented but there was still a discernible mass left which was identifiable as a bullet.  There was no need to fabricate anything.

Bottom line is Sheila was shot twice in quick succession leaving the rifle empty.  The two empty shell casings lay alongside her body. The rifle was then placed on her body for the police to find.  No mystery no conspiracy.

And further more nobody on the outside saw any rifle leaning against a window.  Pure fiction as is the womans body lying in the kitchen as this was a simple mix up in identifying Ralph Bamber.

[mike tesko]

Hi Mike,
You have previously accepted that you do not have in your physical  possession a photograph of Sheila which depicts a single bullet wound to her neck area but that said photograph is stored on the hard drive of your computer. I repeat my offer to you - I will personally pay the cost of a computer expert to examine the hard drive of your computer for the purpose of retrieving that photograph.
The existence of this photograph would go a long, long way of proving the truth of your contention that the Police (accidentally or otherwise) shot Sheila.
Will you accept my offer?

Jim, I do not have a photograph on my hard drive which shows only one wound on Sheila's neck / throat, I believe there has been a misunderstanding regarding this matter, I do have a photograph though of Sheila on  the bed with no blood running, or leaking, or pouring from the corners of her mouth, and back into her left eye socket...

[rhodes]

Hi Mike,
You have previously accepted that you do not have in your physical  possession a photograph of Sheila which depicts a single bullet wound to her neck area but that said photograph is stored on the hard drive of your computer. I repeat my offer to you - I will personally pay the cost of a computer expert to examine the hard drive of your computer for the purpose of retrieving that photograph.
The existence of this photograph would go a long, long way of proving the truth of your contention that the Police (accidentally or otherwise) shot Sheila.
Will you accept my offer?

There is no photograph and never was one to begin with.

[mike tesko]

Pure dribble man.   You are inventing facts to fit your own theories which dont hold water for a moment.  Sheila was unconscious from the moment she was shot...........she never moved from that moment on.  Read the pathologists report. 

You are full of shit - I have copies of the reports from Venezis, from Knight, and from McDonnell, and you don't know jack shit, because you wouldn't be saying such things if you had access to the conclusions of all these experts. She displaced herself from the kitchen to the bedroom, in keeping with what Knight and McDonnell have said...

[rhodes]

You are full of shit - I have copies of the reports from Venezis, from Knight, and from McDonnell, and you don't know jack shit, because you wouldn't be saying such things if you had access to the conclusions of all these experts. She displaced herself from the kitchen to the bedroom, in keeping with what Knight and McDonnell have said...

The pathologist stated that she would have been paralysed from the instant she was first shot and this is also evidenced by the total absence of any blood down the front of her neck or nightgown or that of secondary blood staining on her finger tips or neck.  The evidence is always right I'm afraid.


Experts??  Thats cool.

[mike tesko]

There is no photograph and never was one to begin with.

Which just goes to show what you know about the case, of course there exists photographs of Sheila's body on the bed, why do you think police burnt the blankets and the mattress from the bed in the main bedroom? Where do you think the bloodstain on the rear of Sheila's nightdress came from, how could there not be a corresponding stain on the bedroom carpet beneath where PC Bird ended up photographing her body there on the floor next to the bed? There is / was no corresponding bloodstain on the carpet because she was laid on the bed and the corresponding blood stain was on the mattress and blankets of the bed...

How could Sheila have been shot an d killed there on the bedroom floor and all this blood be present on the back of her nightdress, but no such bloodstain on the bedroom carpet beneath where PC Bird took pictures of her body insitu?

Get a brain and stop being pathetic...

[jim ignatowski]

Jim, I do not have a photograph on my hard drive which shows only one wound on Sheila's neck / throat, I believe there has been a misunderstanding regarding this matter, I do have a photograph though of Sheila on  the bed with no blood running, or leaking, or pouring from the corners of her mouth, and back into her left eye socket...

Hi Mike
For the purposes of clarification, where is this photograph of Sheila ON THE BED?

[rhodes]

Which just goes to show what you know about the case, of course there exists photographs of Sheila's body on the bed, why do you think police burnt the blankets and the mattress from the bed in the main bedroom? Where do you think the bloodstain on the rear of Sheila's nightdress came from, how could there not be a corresponding stain on the bedroom carpet beneath where PC Bird ended up photographing her body there on the floor next to the bed? There is / was no corresponding bloodstain on the carpet because she was laid on the bed and the corresponding blood stain was on the mattress and blankets iof the bed...

How could Sheila have been shot an d killed there on the bedroom floor and all this blood be present on the back of her nightdress, but no such bloodstain on the bedroom carpet beneath where PC Bird took pictures of her body insitu?

Get a brain and stop being pathetic...

Sheilas body was probably lifted onto the bed before being removed from the house.  No mystery there.


There is no reference in any report to any stain on the rear of the nightdress.  The only staining was the neck and down the sides as she was lying to one side when she expired.   It suits your argument to invent blood staining just as your reasons for having bedding burned when it was jerry who asked the police to clear the property.

[Roch]

Get a brain and stop being pathetic...

Mike, it's Lambo.  I think he's had a few beers or something.

[mike tesko]

The pathologist stated that she would have been paralysed from the instant she was first shot and this is also evidenced by the total absence of any blood down the front of her neck or nightgown or that of secondary blood staining on her finger tips or neck.  The evidence is always right I'm afraid.

What a load of codswallop...

Please don't make me laugh, Venezis allowed the police to substitute the original bullet (PV/20) by replacing it with a whole control bullet fired during unreported test firing of rifle "Y" and control ammunition, why should I listen and trust anything Venezis says or has said in this matter, as far as I am concerned he was part of the conspiracy for allowing the original fragmented bullet (PV/20) to be substituted just so Fletcher could argue that that bullet (the replaced PV/20) was fired via rifle "Y". ..

I prefer to trust and believe what professor Knight and Professor McDonnell have to say about the matter, and both conclude that it was possible for Sheila to walk about after the first shot was inflicted, indeed, despite what you are trying to suggest Venezis himself, conceded this possibility...

[Steve_uk]

You are full of shit - I have copies of the reports from Venezis, from Knight, and from McDonnell, and you don't know jack shit, because you wouldn't be saying such things if you had access to the conclusions of all these experts. She displaced herself from the kitchen to the bedroom, in keeping with what Knight and McDonnell have said...

Mike do you expect us to believe that Sheila shot herself once in the kitchen,then proceeded upstairs yet with no traces of any of her blood in the kitchen,on the stairway or landing?

[mike tesko]

Sheilas body was probably lifted onto the bed before being removed from the house.  No mystery there.


There is no reference in any report to any stain on the rear of the nightdress.  The only staining was the neck and down the sides as she was lying to one side when she expired.   It suits your argument to invent blood staining just as your reasons for having bedding burned when it was jerry who asked the police to clear the property.

Get a life, stop being so stupid, of course there was / is a bloodstain on the rear of Sheila's nightdress - if you do not know the basic facts about the so called evidence in this case, how the hell can you arrive at the conclusions and speculation that you have / do? I suggest you go back to the other forum and tell as many lies as you can think up...