Rifle flush with body, gun barrel under chin, clue...

[mike tesko]

But wasn't there a picture of the rifle taken by the Police photographers of a rifle propped up against the window sill? Could there have been two rifles involved in the crime as has been suggested previously?

Yes, photograph 23 of 223 in the MASTERCOPY ALBUM. DI "Ron" Cook testified that he placed the rifle there after removing it from Sheila's body, But PS Woodcock was supposed to have done this at 11:15am - despite the fact that it ended up being given the exhibit reference DRH/15 in DC Hammersleys name?

You can rest assured that there were at least two different weapons used in the shootings, one of these rifles was found downstairs and according to DS Davidson whilst he was being interviewed by COLP (1991) that some red paint similar to that on the aga surround had been found on the end of a guns barrel which caused DI "Ron" Cook to take a paint sample (RC/1) for testing purposes. Sheila was shot by use of this rifle, downstairs in the region of the kitchen, and later police shot her when they used the rifle that WPC Julia Jeapes spotted at the bedroom window (7:15am), which was used to gauge the distance between the solitary entry wound upon her neck, and the height / distance away of where the fingers of her right hand could activate the trigger? For your information, Sheila got shot by the police during the training exercise when the rifle from the window was placed upon Sheila's body for the purpose of gauging the distance between the muzzle of the gun (when placed or positioned against that part of the neck where the solitary entry wound was situated) and the trigger mechanism (positioned near to her abdomen) with the rifle laid atop her body...

Rifle (Y) was the weapon used in this reconstruction, which had not been checked to see if it was still loaded and safe - when her fingers were placed in the region of the trigger guard the second fatal shot was discharged under her chin and killed her immediately...

[mike tesko]

Yes, photograph 23 of 223 in the MASTERCOPY ALBUM. DI "Ron" Cook testified that he placed the rifle there after removing it from Sheila's body, But PS Woodcock was supposed to have done this at 11:15am - despite the fact that it ended up being given the exhibit reference DRH/15 in DC Hammersleys name?

You can rest assured that there were at least two different weapons used in the shootings, one of these rifles was found downstairs and according to DS Davidson whilst he was being interviewed by COLP (1991) that some red paint similar to that on the aga surround had been found on the end of a guns barrel which caused DI "Ron" Cook to take a paint sample (RC/1) for testing purposes. Sheila was shot by use of this rifle, downstairs in the region of the kitchen, and later police shot her when they used the rifle that WPC Julia Jeapes spotted at the bedroom window (7:15am), which was used to gauge the distance between the solitary entry wound upon her neck, and the height / distance away of where the fingers of her right hand could activate the trigger? For your information, Sheila got shot by the police during the training exercise when the rifle from the window was placed upon Sheila's body for the purpose of gauging the distance between the muzzle of the gun (when placed or positioned against that part of the neck where the solitary entry wound was situated) and the trigger mechanism (positioned near to her abdomen) with the rifle laid atop her body...

Rifle (Y) was the weapon used in this reconstruction, which had not been checked to see if it was still loaded and safe - when her fingers were placed in the region of the trigger guard the second fatal shot was discharged under her chin and killed her immediately...

This was why the original fragmented bullet (PV/20) had to be / was swapped over with a whole control bullet fired via rifle (Y) during an unreported test fire of the gun and control ammunition, once the nature of the case changed and became SC/786/85 from SC/688/85...

[Steve_uk]

Yes, photograph 23 of 223 in the MASTERCOPY ALBUM. DI "Ron" Cook testified that he placed the rifle there after removing it from Sheila's body, But PS Woodcock was supposed to have done this at 11:15am - despite the fact that it ended up being given the exhibit reference DRH/15 in DC Hammersleys name?

You can rest assured that there were at least two different weapons used in the shootings, one of these rifles was found downstairs and according to DS Davidson whilst he was being interviewed by COLP (1991) that some red paint similar to that on the aga surround had been found on the end of a guns barrel which caused DI "Ron" Cook to take a paint sample (RC/1) for testing purposes. Sheila was shot by use of this rifle, downstairs in the region of the kitchen, and later police shot her when they used the rifle that WPC Julia Jeapes spotted at the bedroom window (7:15am), which was used to gauge the distance between the solitary entry wound upon her neck, and the height / distance away of where the fingers of her right hand could activate the trigger? For your information, Sheila got shot by the police during the training exercise when the rifle from the window was placed upon Sheila's body for the purpose of gauging the distance between the muzzle of the gun (when placed or positioned against that part of the neck where the solitary entry wound was situated) and the trigger mechanism (positioned near to her abdomen) with the rifle laid atop her body...

Rifle (Y) was the weapon used in this reconstruction, which had not been checked to see if it was still loaded and safe - when her fingers were placed in the region of the trigger guard the second fatal shot was discharged under her chin and killed her immediately...

I have read that the Police stated that the .22 anschutz rifle was stiff and therefore not easy to fire by mistake. I don't understand what the Police are covering up,the reason for covering up and why if there was a cover-up nobody has yet come forward  for the £1million reward claimable upon disclosing evidence proving Jeremy's innocence.

[susan]

Hi steve perhaps for anyone to come forward to claim the reward they would have to incriminate themselves and could end up in prison this is just a theory of course.

[Steve_uk]

Hi steve perhaps for anyone to come forward to claim the reward they would have to incriminate themselves and could end up in prison this is just a theory of course.

That's a possibility Susan but with so many people seemingly traipsing around the farm that morning one would have thought that a shot from a semi-automatic would have been clearly audible.

[susan]

steve you are wondering if one of the neighbours heard a shot.  I don't know anything about guns so would not know if they are easily heard.

[Steve_uk]

steve you are wondering if one of the neighbours heard a shot.  I don't know anything about guns so would not know if they are easily heard.

No I was thinking that we are constantly being told of the number of entrants into the farm that morning and I find it hard to believe that under those circumstances nobody heard an alleged shot emanating from the bedroom. On a separate point your post reminds me that a neighbour reported hearing a shot around 9-30pm and I'm wondering if this was Jeremy testing the murder weapon which may have been stiff in order that he could be sure it was in working order the following morning.

[Jane]

steve you are wondering if one of the neighbours heard a shot.  I don't know anything about guns so would not know if they are easily heard.

Hi Susan. I thought I was the only person in England NOT watching the Olympics!!!!! I live ibn an Olympic free Zone!!! I asked the same question a while back and was told that a gun with silencer would have been barely audible, but nothing was said about a gun without one, and, like you, I know nothing about guns.

[Jane]

No I was thinking that we are constantly being told of the number of entrants into the farm that morning and I find it hard to believe that under those circumstances nobody heard an alleged shot emanating from the bedroom. On a separate point your post reminds me that a neighbour reported hearing a shot around 9-30pm and I'm wondering if this was Jeremy testing the murder weapon which may have been stiff in order that he could be sure it was in working order the following morning.

I suppose it's impossible for there to be another explanation. Sorry Steve, good evening, please forgive my temporary lack of good manners.

[rhodes]

Worse still...

Lets give the BIGB a swift kick between the legs and ask them why photographs which show rifle (Y) on Sheila's body in various positions, on the bedroom floor, after 9am, do  the police insist that they found Sheila's body like that, when they could not have done so? How can rifle "Y" be on the body when police first enter the bedroom, and then not be on the body when PS Adams sees the body at about 9am, and then PC Bird photographed rifle "Y" on Sheila's body from 9:30am, onward, when all along rifle "Y" was leaning up against the bedroom window at about 7:15am? If nobody touched or moved anything at all, as insisted by the police, how did rifle "Y" get from the window onto the body after PS Adams visited the main bedroom at about 9am?

Do you live in a parallel universe??    It does not take much imagination to realise that the rifle would have been lifted by the first police officers on the scene so as to make it safe.   It was probably lifted a second time so that the doctor could examine the remains of Sheila.  The rifle would have been set back for the purposes of the photography.  Have you some problem with these events and the fact that the rifle would not have gone back exactly as it was each time??

[Roch]

Do you live in a parallel universe??    It does not take much imagination to realise that the rifle would have been lifted by the first police officers on the scene so as to make it safe.   It was probably lifted a second time so that the doctor could examine the remains of Sheila.  The rifle would have been set back for the purposes of the photography.  Have you some problem with these events and the fact that the rifle would not have gone back exactly as it was each time??

John, please introduce your self in the foyer.  Thanks.

[mike tesko]

Do you live in a parallel universe??    It does not take much imagination to realise that the rifle would have been lifted by the first police officers on the scene so as to make it safe.   It was probably lifted a second time so that the doctor could examine the remains of Sheila.  The rifle would have been set back for the purposes of the photography.  Have you some problem with these events and the fact that the rifle would not have gone back exactly as it was each time??

Ok, birdbrain, so when police make witness statements saying they didn't do that, and they didn't move anything at all or touch anything, how does what you say support what the police have said, do you live in a parallel universe, yourself?

[Roch]

I have read that the Police stated that the .22 anschutz rifle was stiff and therefore not easy to fire by mistake. I don't understand what the Police are covering up,the reason for covering up and why if there was a cover-up nobody has yet come forward  for the £1million reward claimable upon disclosing evidence proving Jeremy's innocence.

Armed police wouldn't ordinarily kill somebody via a contact shot under the chin.  I think a few eyebrows might be raised, if they passed off such a shot as being ordinarily discharged in the line of duty?

[Roch]

Armed police wouldn't ordinarily kill somebody via a contact shot under the chin.  I think a few eyebrows might be raised, if they passed off such a shot as being ordinarily discharged in the line of duty?

Also,  I think I'm right in stating that they don't ordinarily use .22 weapons or ammunition.  So at no point could police state that Sheila was shot by them in the line of duty.  Therefore if Mike Tesko is correct in his assertion that the mishandling of the rifle is what caused the 2nd fatal shot, there is a big problem to be pondered by those at the scene.  And the clock is ticking.  And there's a lot of people outside.

[rhodes]

Ok, birdbrain, so when police make witness statements saying they didn't do that, and they didn't move anything at all or touch anything, how does what you say support what the police have said, do you live in a parallel universe, yourself?

Well birdbrain...can you point me to such statements??   The statements which I have already read and which are posted on this forum clearly indicate that the rifle was moved to facilitate inspections.

I was told you are afraid to debate these issues on an open forum??