Phone call to police

[Jane]

Hi april1  Another theory about Nevill,s watch is before going to bed he took his watch off and placed it on the table and it was knocked off in the struggle and just got underneath cushions on the floor can,t see any reason at all for him to try and hide his watch.

Morning Susan. Can go with that. Must dash, back later.

[Bridget]

Me too. 

It's in Scott Lomax's book, but he doesn't give a source for the information.

[maggie]

Hi april1  Another theory about Nevill,s watch is before going to bed he took his watch off and placed it on the table and it was knocked off in the struggle and just got underneath cushions on the floor can,t see any reason at all for him to try and hide his watch.

Hi Susie I agree the simple answer is usually the correct one. A man of Ralphs era would be highly unlikely to keep his watch on at night and it was probably placed on the worktop or the table each evening.

[susan]

Good Morning Maggie so glad you are back at least I have three or 4 people replying to my posts had thought of replying to them myself

[mike tesko]

Why unplug the kitchen phone and hide it under a pile of magazines? Nobody in their right mind would attempt to stage manage a crime scene and gainsay the orders of their boss DCI "Taff" Tom Jones,who was satisfied that it was four murders and a suicide.

You do not know who inplugged any phone, and you do not know how the other digital phone ended under the pile of magazines weeks later. There is no evidence whatsoever that any of the actions you speak of had anything at all to do with Jeremy. It could just as easily have been Ralph, or June, or as the case may be, Sheila, or the police during the reconstruction which took place during a training exercise whilst the bodies of the victims were still in situ?

[mike tesko]

Could anybody furnish me with a possible reason for Neville's removal and hiding of his watch?

There is no evidence at all that Ralph was wearing a watch when he got attacked in the kitchen, and no explanation worthy of note to account for how that watch found its way underneath the kitchen rug, other than to say it got there accidentally when police stage managed the kitchen scene...

[lookout]

Good morning girls.  Nice to see you Maggie,,you've been missed,girl.

I'm almost sure that if Nevill had seen Jeremy in the house that night,,that this tragedy would never have happened because Nevill would immediately have both dialled 999 and also activated the alarm,,,given that the antis' on the forum believed the remark about " not turning his back on that young man ". Nevill hadn't bargained for it being Sheila,,,and didn't expect what happened to them all.

The reason none of this appeared to be an emergency at the onset was because it wasn't Jeremy. Instead,,,it was Sheila,,whom Nevill thought that it was possible to talk her round,,,but sadly,the attack was so frenzied,that it gave no time or chance for Nevill to reason with her.

I would imagine that the watch if it was on Nevills' wrist,,would have been wrenched off when Sheila dug her nails in his arms.The watch having been found under the rug/carpet possibly would have been a valuable one,,even a Rolex,,,and seeing that Jeremy was described as being greedy,,,wouldn't have remained there at all if he was purported to have been responsible for the murders.
( by rights,he should have his fathers' watch anyway ) But that's another story.

[lookout]

Nevill would not have classed the situation as being an emergency because of it being Sheila.
Nobody,but nobody,however big,tall,can overpower anyone with a rifle,,,no matter who's on the other end of it. 

[maggie]

Hi lookout, good to be back. What a really good point you make about Ralph's probable different reaction if Jeremy had crawled through a window and attacked them. It would have been 999, panic alarm  and there were so many guns available Jeremy would never have walked away without a scratch. Imho

[-Harters-]

It's in Scott Lomax's book, but he doesn't give a source for the information.

Okay, thanks Bridget.   

Barbara made a statement on 27/9/85, some 11 or 12 days after Jeremy entered the house via a window, it may be described there but it hasn't been posted on the forum.
There is no mention of it in her statement dated 26/11/85.

[maggie]

Nevill would not have classed the situation as being an emergency because of it being Sheila.
Nobody,but nobody,however big,tall,can overpower anyone with a rifle,,,no matter who's on the other end of it.

The fact is a father would find it much more difficult to attack back or shoot their own daughter, than to lock horns with a son.imo

[lookout]

The fact is a father would find it much more difficult to attack back or shoot their own daughter, than to lock horns with a son.imo

Hi Maggie,,,yes Nevills' initial reactions would have been totally different than that of someone creeping in through a window. The whole thing hasn't been thought out logically at all. Oh dear,,I'm not very patient when it comes to incompetence and the robotic attitudes of the police who all speak the same,,,by the book,,,, instead of using their gumption.

[maggie]

Hi Maggie,,,yes Nevills' initial reactions would have been totally different than that of someone creeping in through a window. The whole thing hasn't been thought out logically at all. Oh dear,,I'm not very patient when it comes to incompetence and the robotic attitudes of the police who all speak the same,,,by the book,,,, instead of using their gumption.

lookout, I always have the feeling that something is staring us in the face about this case but we canr see it. Sometimes we need to really think outside the box and consider things from a different angle. As you say the pilice went about the whole thing with tunnel vision. We often argue from assuned positions when in fact there are no actual known facts except that five people were shot and killed between about 10pm and 6pm.

[lookout]

Both Nevill and Jeremy would have been confused that night.
Nevill,,,to think that his daughter would finally carry out what she'd threatened to do,,,and Jeremy on first waking up and not thinking it was as urgent as it turned out to be.

Academically aware maybe,,,but totally lost when it came to the real world of the irrational behaviour of a paranoid schizophrenic. Theirs was a hard lesson to learn.

[mike tesko]

Hi Mike  I was lead to believe that Ralph was shot in the arm on his way downstairs to the phone and blood was evident on the surface where the phone was sitting.

I am prepared to accept that he did get shot in the arm coming downstairs, or going upstairs, and that the fingers of his hand got bloodied as a result of being shot in the arm, because a set of bloodied fingermarks were found on the edge of the kitchen worktop close to where the telephone handset, and a pile of tipped out .22 bullets were found.  However, there is no way of knowing whether or not Ralph sustained this injury before he made the call to Jeremy, or not? It is just as likely that even if Ralph had been shot by the time he made the call to Jeremy, that Ralph used the other uninjured arm and hand to use the phone? Furthermore, how come their was no blood on the wristwatch found under the kitchen rug? If Ralph had been wearing it when he got attacked surely it would have become heavily bloodstained and perhaps damaged?