Sheila attempted to commit suicide (but failed), and was shot by the police...

[jon]

Why should we believe bank managers.?

I believe EP denied going the bank with JM , the manger claimed they did
if memory not playing trick's with me !! I believe the bank manager made a statement , saying such !!

[Caroline R]

Why should we believe bank managers.?

Why indeed!

[Bridget]

Thanks for that , but i believe there is a bit more , something to do with the manager not keeping
a record of the meeting if memory serves me correctly !!

He did make notes at the time, but when he tried to find them 16 years later he found that the bank had destroyed them I believe.

[lookout]

He did make notes at the time, but when he tried to find them 16 years later he found that the bank had destroyed them I believe.

Hi Bridget,,,yes,I can believe that too. Sudden memory loss.

[jon]

Hi Bridget,,,yes,I can believe that too. Sudden memory loss.

The bank manager contradicted what EP said Lookout !!

[jon]

He did make notes at the time, but when he tried to find them 16 years later he found that the bank had destroyed them I believe.

Can you not find COA word's on this matter ?

[Roch]

We do not accept that any impropriety by the police has been established

To the tune of that song by 'The Police'  (Every breath you take)

Every date you cross.. every pocket book scribbled.. every statement alter--ed... every photo withheld.... I'll be watching you...

 

[Bridget]

We have no doubt that Mr Dovey was an honest witness doing his best to assist the court but a great deal was being asked of his unaided recollection in recalling matters so long ago. There were differences between his evidence in the witness box and the statement which he made in March 2002. In the witness box he said that he did not know of any connection between the matters he was dealing with and any police inquiry. He further said when speaking of the phone call from the Chief Inspector's Department that he only "vaguely remembered" getting such a call. None of this surprises us after such a lapse of time particularly when the notes which he made in order to remind himself if necessary of these events are no longer available. There was, however, no doubt in his mind that a police officer had been present.

[jon]

We have no doubt that Mr Dovey was an honest witness doing his best to assist the court but a great deal was being asked of his unaided recollection in recalling matters so long ago. There were differences between his evidence in the witness box and the statement which he made in March 2002. In the witness box he said that he did not know of any connection between the matters he was dealing with and any police inquiry. He further said when speaking of the phone call from the Chief Inspector's Department that he only "vaguely remembered" getting such a call. None of this surprises us after such a lapse of time particularly when the notes which he made in order to remind himself if necessary of these events are no longer available. There was, however, no doubt in his mind that a police officer had been present.

The last sentence , tell's you all you need to know !! IMO

[jim ignatowski]

Mike, could you please explain something to me?
If, as you maintain, Sheila shot herself once downstairs but then fled upstairs and was shot by the police, how is it that there can be a photograph of her ON THE BED with a single bullet wound?

[mike tesko]

Mike, could you please explain something to me?
If, as you maintain, Sheila shot herself once downstairs but then fled upstairs and was shot by the police, how is it that there can be a photograph of her ON THE BED with a single bullet wound?

She must have collapsed again through loss of blood, or whatever?

[jim ignatowski]

So, she shot herself once downstairs, then fled upstairs and collapsed on the bed and was photographed by presumably SOC but then subsequently awoke and was shot by the police?
Could you please remind me of approximately how many police officers were in WHF at the time Sheila fled upstairs and at what time the first member of SOC attended WHF?

[mike tesko]

So, she shot herself once downstairs, then fled upstairs and collapsed on the bed and was photographed by presumably SOC but then subsequently awoke and was shot by the police?
Could you please remind me of approximately how many police officers were in WHF at the time Sheila fled upstairs and at what time the first member of SOC attended WHF?

six raid team members, and first members of SOC first arrived at the scene before 9am...

[jim ignatowski]

So, none of the 6 members of the raid team saw/heard Sheila flee upstairs or even noticed that she was no longer downstairs? She then collapsed on the bed and some time after 09.00 a member of the SOC team (believing her to be dead) took a photograph of her on the bed with a solitary wound. At that time of course, the 6 (or at least some) members of the raid team must have been aware that she was no longer downstairs. Then she "awoke" and was shot by the police?
 And that is the basis of the whole cover-up?
Do I have this sequence of events correct?
The alternative explanation is that the reference to Sheila being dead downstairs is a simple mistake?
Which of these explanations is the more credible (I pose rhetorically)?
Mike, all you have to do is to produce the photograph!
In the absence of you producing this photograph, JB's Defence team WILL NOT  seek to persuade any Court in the land that your version of events is correct !!!

[mike tesko]

So, none of the 6 members of the raid team saw/heard Sheila flee upstairs or even noticed that she was no longer downstairs?

The six man raid team had progressed to other parts of the farmhouse, they left the bodies of Ralph and Sheila downstairs in the region of the kitchen, wrongly believing that both victims were dead...