Sheila attempted to commit suicide (but failed), and was shot by the police...

[mike tesko]

Sheila attempted to commit suicide (but failed), and was shot by the police...

To save confusion about what I am saying took place, I would simply like to mention that I believe that Sheila tried to take her own life downstairs in the region of the kitchen, but as it turned out she failed (this is what the officers report, 1612, refers to). She was actually shot upstairs in the bedroom by the police and her body was moved from the bed to the bedroom floor and stage managed to try and suggest that she had taken her own life - the stage managing was done by the police, and photographic records altered to facilitate the cover up...

This is the reason why Essex police edited out 358 photographs and created a false MASTER COPY ALBUM, containing only 223 pictures, when 581 had been actually taken...

[mike tesko]

You do not go to the lengths which Essex police went to, by creating a false photographic record, and claiming you only took 223 photographs, when all along you took 581, unless you are trying to hide something or cover something up?

Such was the scale of the cover up, that PC Bird has never acknowleged the existence of 581 photographs, nor has any schedule been disclosed relating to all of its 581 pictures...

[mike tesko]

The only schedules produced by PC Bird, relate to the album with 223 photographs contained within it, and the court albjm with 50 photographs in it, with a reference to which photographs in the 50 album came from the 223 album - nothing about the order in relation to the other album containing 581 pictures...

In other words dodgy photographic evidence was relied upon to support a bogus prosecutions case...

[mike tesko]

The mix up involving the find of a dead female body downstairs in the kitchen upon entry, and the substituton of bullet PV/20,  is linked to the circumstances surrounding Sheila's eventual death upstairs in the bedroom...

[Roch]

Sheila attempted to commit suicide (but failed), and was shot by the police...

To save confusion about what I am saying took place, I would simply like to mention that I believe that Sheila tried to take her own life downstairs in the region of the kitchen, but as it turned out she failed (this is what the officers report, 1612, refers to). She was actually shot upstairs in the bedroom by the police and her body was moved from the bed to the bedroom floor and stage managed to try and suggest that she had taken her own life - the stage managing was done by the police, and photographic records altered to facilitate the cover up...

This is the reason why Essex police edited out 358 photographs and created a false MASTER COPY ALBUM, containing only 223 pictures, when 581 had been actually taken...

But if the logs have been edited, how come not only police at control but even civilian employees didn't express concerns about the kitchen incident, when it was later portrayed by EP / prosecuting authorities that Bamber was responsible and that Sheila had been found upstairs on the floor?  Since they would have been involved in the contemporaneous recording of events unfolding (inclusive of the alleged shooting incident that 1612 might refer to).

[elphick]

It was also a great shot by the police to shoot her under the chin that way. I assume they must have got the gun off her, checked to see if it was loaded, put it under her chin and shot her. I guess she must have been tired after such a massive fight with Ralph anyway.

[lookout]

It was also a great shot by the police to shoot her under the chin that way. I assume they must have got the gun off her, checked to see if it was loaded, put it under her chin and shot her. I guess she must have been tired after such a massive fight with Ralph anyway.

What fight with Ralph.? No sign of a fight either with Jeremy or Sheila. Ralph got his bruises,breaks and burns from the butt of a rifle which he was  trying to defend himself against.
Would you argue with anyone who was weilding a rifle.? Especially if it was a woman holding one------even.?

[-Harters-]

What fight with Ralph.? No sign of a fight either with Jeremy or Sheila. Ralph got his bruises,breaks and burns from the butt of a rifle which he was  trying to defend himself against.
Would you argue with anyone who was weilding a rifle.? Especially if it was a woman holding one------even.?

Sounds like 'a fight' is an appropriate description of that. 

[lookout]

Sounds like 'a fight' is an appropriate description of that. 

Yes,,,of the in-family type,,minus Jeremy. I would have said that it was Ralph who got a good bashing,rather than say there'd been a fight. Ralph having been a gentleman wouldn't have " fought " with his own daughter.

[-Harters-]

Yes,,,of the in-family type,,minus Jeremy. I would have said that it was Ralph who got a good bashing,rather than say there'd been a fight. Ralph having been a gentleman wouldn't have " fought " with his own daughter.

Don't worry I'm just being facetious. Although I'm not so sure this entire thread should be seen as a serious discussion, maybe I'm not being facetious at all. 

[susan]

Hi lookout  I think Ralph was beaten with the rifle when he was near death after the gun shot wounds.  I seem to think he was sat in the chair when he was beaten.  No doubt I am now going to get corrected I feel The Jam ready to pounce

[Roch]

Ralph having been a gentleman wouldn't have " fought " with his own daughter.

Replace wouldn't with mightn't and you get full marks from me. 

Not a pop at you Lookout but I am forever getting irritated by certain other people saying Ralph 'wouldn't have done this', Ralph 'wouldn't have done that', Bamber cant be genuine or he'd have phoned 999 blah blah blah...

NOBODY knows what they would do... unless they themselves were placed in the same dire situation.  These same Armchair theorists who would probably soil their own clothing, panic and take erroneous actions which would in turn be interpreted by another set of armchair theorists as being not genuine because they 'hadn't done this' or they 'hadn't done that'.     

[-Harters-]

Hi lookout  I think Ralph was beaten with the rifle when he was near death after the gun shot wounds.  I seem to think he was sat in the chair when he was beaten.  No doubt I am now going to get corrected I feel The Jam ready to pounce

You need to get your 'Jam Pouncing Detector' serviced. 

I was about to do no such thing!   

[-Harters-]

Replace wouldn't with mightn't and you get full marks from me. 

Not a pop at you Lookout but I am forever getting irritated by certain other people saying Ralph 'wouldn't have done this', Ralph 'wouldn't have done that', Bamber cant be genuine or he'd have phoned 999 blah blah blah...

NOBODY knows what they would do... unless they themselves were placed in the same dire situation.  These same Armchair theorists who would probably soil their own clothing, panic and take erroneous actions which would in turn be interpreted by another set of armchair theorists as being not genuine because they 'hadn't done this' or they 'hadn't done that'.   

Ten out of ten from me, Rochy. Good post.

[Roch]

Ten out of ten from me, Rochy. Good post.

Thank you.