Sheila attempted to commit suicide (but failed), and was shot by the police...

[susan]

Apologise Mr Jam  for calling you a pouncer must have misread my tea leaves

[mertol22]

Whats that term used in Texas Hold Em ? All in thats it well im going all in its the figure seen that night.

[susan]

Hi mertol22 don,t understand your post have you been on the lager

[Caroline R]

Sheila attempted to commit suicide (but failed), and was shot by the police...

To save confusion about what I am saying took place, I would simply like to mention that I believe that Sheila tried to take her own life downstairs in the region of the kitchen, but as it turned out she failed (this is what the officers report, 1612, refers to). She was actually shot upstairs in the bedroom by the police and her body was moved from the bed to the bedroom floor and stage managed to try and suggest that she had taken her own life - the stage managing was done by the police, and photographic records altered to facilitate the cover up...

This is the reason why Essex police edited out 358 photographs and created a false MASTER COPY ALBUM, containing only 223 pictures, when 581 had been actually taken...

Hi, I am new to the forum but I have introduced myself  . The point I would like to make is that although I find what you say interesting, my problem with it is that surely had this been the case, it would have been easier to have let Sheila take the blame and not peruse a case around Jeremy. Why go to the trouble of fitting up an innocent man for murder, when a cut and dried 'uncomplicated' murder suicide would have resulted in less intervention by authorities likely to discover the cover-up?

Has anyone seen the photograph of Sheila's body with only one gun shot wound?

[-Harters-]

Whats that term used in Texas Hold Em ? All in thats it well im going all in its the figure seen that night.

You would probably be interested in seeing Myalls and Bews witness statements then. Feel free to petition Mike for them. 

[Jane]

Replace wouldn't with mightn't and you get full marks from me. 

Not a pop at you Lookout but I am forever getting irritated by certain other people saying Ralph 'wouldn't have done this', Ralph 'wouldn't have done that', Bamber cant be genuine or he'd have phoned 999 blah blah blah...

NOBODY knows what they would do... unless they themselves were placed in the same dire situation.  These same Armchair theorists who would probably soil their own clothing, panic and take erroneous actions which would in turn be interpreted by another set of armchair theorists as being not genuine because they 'hadn't done this' or they 'hadn't done that'.   

Roch, hi and how very true. there is NO way we can know for certain how we would react in a situation we have never before experienced, let alone know what somebody else would do. Unless we are capable of getting inside another persons head, we can't know what it feels like to be them or experience things in the way they do. Mind readers, step forward now, please.

[Jane]

Hi, I am new to the forum but I have introduced myself  . The point I would like to make is that although I find what you say interesting, my problem with it is that surely had this been the case, it would have been easier to have let Sheila take the blame and not peruse a case around Jeremy. Why go to the trouble of fitting up an innocent man for murder, when a cut and dried 'uncomplicated' murder suicide would have resulted in less intervention by authorities likely to discover the cover-up?

Has anyone seen the photograph of Sheila's body with only one gun shot wound?

Caroline,hi. Please refer to Mike's post at top of pafe 2. I think it reads "How to gain an in heritance........by "dobbing" in a family member innocent of committing five murders"

No, not yet. We wait with baited breath.

[Buddy]

Hi, I am new to the forum but I have introduced myself  . The point I would like to make is that although I find what you say interesting, my problem with it is that surely had this been the case, it would have been easier to have let Sheila take the blame and not peruse a case around Jeremy. Why go to the trouble of fitting up an innocent man for murder, when a cut and dried 'uncomplicated' murder suicide would have resulted in less intervention by authorities likely to discover the cover-up?

Has anyone seen the photograph of Sheila's body with only one gun shot wound?

Caroline, It was first thought that it was a murder/suicide, although some cops doubted this. DI jones was convinced that Sheila was responsible, but unfortunately he died before the trial. I believe he would have backed Bamber.
The family were convinced that Jeremy was responsible, and badgered the police. DI Jones threw them out of his office at one time.
DC Clarke told Ann that June, and Sheila were found on the bed with the rifle between them, and a bible on Sheila's body.
Mugford told Ann that Sheila had one wound under the chin when she identified the bodies at the morgue.
It has been suggested that 60 police officers attended the farm that dreadful morning for training. It is quite possible that the police moved the bodies around as part of a training exercise.
I no longer believe that the family were out to get Jeremy, but still think they were wrong in thier assumptions, and played a major part in his conviction. I still think this is all about a woman scorned.

[Buddy]

Old crap I know, but the silencer evidence was tainted, and should never have been allowed. It was handled/mishandled by so many people. This is what keeps me here. For the life of me I cannot understand why the CCRC have not referred again.

[Caroline R]

Caroline, It was first thought that it was a murder/suicide, although some cops doubted this. DI jones was convinced that Sheila was responsible, but unfortunately he died before the trial. I believe he would have backed Bamber.
The family were convinced that Jeremy was responsible, and badgered the police. DI Jones threw them out of his office at one time.
DC Clarke told Ann that June, and Sheila were found on the bed with the rifle between them, and a bible on Sheila's body.
Mugford told Ann that Sheila had one wound under the chin when she identified the bodies at the morgue

Hi Buddy, witness testimony is notoriously the most unreliable evidence of all! However, as far as the second wound is concerned I would imagine that the morgue tried to cover up as much of the gore as possible during identification. I do have to add that I don't understand why the police decided to pay so much attention to Ann Eaton and the relatives and surely any 'so called' evidence they produced was contaminated and unreliable? Certainly by todays standards!

[Caroline R]

Old crap I know, but the silencer evidence was tainted, and should never have been allowed. It was handled/mishandled by so many people. This is what keeps me here. For the life of me I cannot understand why the CCRC have not referred again.

Hi (again) Buddy! I think I have just written the same thing! Toally agree!!

[mike tesko]

Hi, I am new to the forum but I have introduced myself  . The point I would like to make is that although I find what you say interesting, my problem with it is that surely had this been the case, it would have been easier to have let Sheila take the blame and not peruse a case around Jeremy. Why go to the trouble of fitting up an innocent man for murder, when a cut and dried 'uncomplicated' murder suicide would have resulted in less intervention by authorities likely to discover the cover-up?

Has anyone seen the photograph of Sheila's body with only one gun shot wound?

Police went along with the case against Jeremy expecting him not to be convicted - if it had turned out that way police would have got the relatives off thier backs, and got away with shooting Sheila dead in the bedroom...

[Buddy]

Hi Buddy, witness testimony is notoriously the most unreliable evidence of all! However, as far as the second wound is concerned I would imagine that the morgue tried to cover up as much of the gore as possible during identification. I do have to add that I don't understand why the police decided to pay so much attention to Ann Eaton and the relatives and surely any 'so called' evidence they produced was contaminated and unreliable? Certainly by todays standards!

Caroline, I don't think that any gore would have been hidden from Julie.
After the identification of the victims she told Ann that Sheila had one wound, and pointed to under her chin. Later that night she slept with the alledged killer of two small boys.
It really irritates me that a drug user, drug smuggler, credit card thief, housebreaker got off with with nothing except £25,000 reward and now runs a school.

[Caroline R]

Caroline, I don't think that any gore would have been hidden from Julie.
After the identification of the victims she told Ann that Sheila had one wound, and pointed to under her chin. Later that night she slept with the alledged killer of two small boys.
It really irritates me that a drug user, drug smuggler, credit card thief, housebreaker got off with with nothing except £25,000 reward and now runs a school.

Hi Buddy, I have had to identify a body in the past (suicide) and a sheet was pulled up to the top of the neck so only the head was visible, after all it is only the face you need to see. I have seen the post mortem pictures of Sheila and if she were covered with a sheet the neck wound would not have been seen. However, I do have to wonder at how much influence Ann Eaton and the 'relatives' had on Mugford’s statement regards Jeremy's involvement? It seems strange why she refuses to talk about the incident after the pay-out from the News of the World and her move to Winnipeg.

[lookout]

Hi Buddy, I have had to identify a body in the past (suicide) and a sheet was pulled up to the top of the neck so only the head was visible, after all it is only the face you need to see. I have seen the post mortem pictures of Sheila and if she were covered with a sheet the neck wound would not have been seen. However, I do have to wonder at how much influence Ann Eaton and the 'relatives' had on Mugford’s statement regards Jeremy's involvement? It seems strange why she refuses to talk about the incident after the pay-out from the News of the World and her move to Winnipeg.

It's known as hush money,Caroline. Why do you think the police let her off with her crime.? So that she,JM ,would" assist " police in their prosecution of Jeremy. Wheels within wheels.