telephone logs.

[Reader]

Where is the EVIDENCE of a panic alarm?

If a panic alarm had been installed prior to 7th August 1985, wouldn't Ralph have mentioned it to Jeremy, and Jeremy subsequently have asked questions about it, mentioned it to mike tesko, etc? As far as I know, mike tesko hasn't mentioned or posted any specific document that shows that a panic alarm had even been installed by that date, let alone activated. He also claimed, without mentioning any supporting evidence, that a panic alarm activation button had been installed inside a bedside cabinet in the main bedroom. That is highly implausible.

Regarding telephone logs, the police may have been interested in the use of Jeremy's home telephone at one time as part of a drugs investigation, but there is no proof that any such special call logging was in progress on the night of the killings.

[Caroline R]

Regarding telephone logs, the police may have been interested in the use of Jeremy's home telephone at one time as part of a drugs investigation, but there is no proof that any such special call logging was in progress on the night of the killings.

Or indeed that any kind of common sense was later applied to the whole investigation/trial!

[grahameb]

Good grief.

You better believe it. Some coppers would lie their pants off for their "friends".

[Bridget]

You better believe it. Some coppers would lie their pants off for their "friends".

That is not what is being suggested.

[mike tesko]

Regarding telephone logs, the police may have been interested in the use of Jeremy's home telephone at one time as part of a drugs investigation, but there is no proof that any such special call logging was in progress on the night of the killings.

It has been demonstrated that police had the means and opportunity to be able to obtain metered call logs showing the number of telephone calls made from whf at different times of the day, including the length of such calls. In particular, calls made from the scene from as early as 19th March 1985? It must follow that the police, therefore, would have obtained the relevant metered call logs for the relevant period, 6pm, on Tuesday, 6th August 1985, to 8am, Wednesday, 7th August 1985, so that they could test and evaluate the claim made by Jeremy that he had received a call from his father during the early hours of the morning, on 7th August 1985? To suggest or imply that although police had the means to carry out this action they did not employ the use of it (under the circumstances) would be ludicrous. Of course the police did use the metered call log information to test if there was any truth in the claim made by Jeremy that his farther had called him. Why wouldn't they use something of this / that nature? It should also be pointed out, that police were also able to check out and confirm to whom certain calls had been made which are / were listed in these metered call logs. Anyone who claims that the police were only able to trace international calls made from the telephone at whf, should reconsider that line of thinking, since I have already produced information that calls made to the hospital at Northampton where Sheila was being treated, from whf, were identified by the police...

[grahameb]

That is not what is being suggested.

What was suggested was dishonesty on the part of the police.

[mike tesko]

It has been demonstrated that police had the means and opportunity to be able to obtain metered call logs showing the number of telephone calls made from whf at different times of the day, including the length of such calls. In particular, calls made from the scene from as early as 19th March 1985? It must follow that the police, therefore, would have obtained the relevant metered call logs for the relevant period, 6pm, on Tuesday, 6th August 1985, to 8am, Wednesday, 7th August 1985, so that they could test and evaluate the claim made by Jeremy that he had received a call from his father during the early hours of the morning, on 7th August 1985? To suggest or imply that although police had the means to carry out this action they did not employ the use of it (under the circumstances) would be ludicrous. Of course the police did use the metered call log information to test if there was any truth in the claim made by Jeremy that his farther had called him. Why wouldn't they use something of this / that nature? It should also be pointed out, that police were also able to check out and confirm to whom certain calls had been made which are / were listed in these metered call logs. Anyone who claims that the police were only able to trace international calls made from the telephone at whf, should reconsider that line of thinking, since I have already produced information that calls made to the hospital at Northampton where Sheila was being treated, from whf, were identified by the police...

Are there those amongst you who think that a call to Northampton hospital from whf in March 1985, would be, or was classed as an International call?

[Bridget]

What was suggested was dishonesty on the part of the police.

Read back.

[grahameb]

Are there those amongst you who think that a call to Northampton hospital from whf in March 1985, would be, or was classed as an International call?

Or indeed a business call?

[Bridget]

Or indeed a business call?

Didn't you say these were calls to pay phones?

[grahameb]

Read back.

Quote from: Bridget on Today at 11:32 AM

    Are you suggesting that they were a bit bored / underworked and decided to take the difficult route and frame an innocent man for light entertainment / to justify their salaries?


quote: lookout.
Bridget,,,there would be no MOJ's if they didn't do what you posted.


ie: dishonesty on the part of the police. Whatever their intention.

[grahameb]

Didn't you say these were calls to pay phones?

No I said some. Perhaps I was wrong though. But it was a business line.

[Patti]

Are there those amongst you who think that a call to Northampton hospital from whf in March 1985, would be, or was classed as an International call?

I do believe they could have traced the calls Mike, they had the technology. If we could send men to the moon in 1969 then we could trace calls.....

If they can trace a call made to Northampton from WHF in march 1985 then they could trace any call....Why they didn't and why this was never presented in court by JB's defence is beyond belief. 

[Caroline R]

I do believe they could have traced the calls Mike, they had the technology. If we could send men to the moon in 1969 then we could trace calls.....

If they can trace a call made to Northampton from WHF in march 1985 then they could trace any call....Why they didn't and why this was never presented in court by JB's defence is beyond belief. 

Hi Patti, I guess we need the advice of a telecoms expert who would know how the system worked back then! However, there has to have been some kind of logging system to separate the different call type (local, national, international, cheap rate etc.). They had to know when the call was made, what type of call it was, how long it lasted and to whom it was made otherwise how did they bill the customer? Was this about the time when Maureen Lipman did the ads for BT?

[Reader]

Calls are billed from the time when they're answered, not the time when they're made. However, fully itemized billing for local calls required new exchange equipment, the large-scale introduction of which occurred in around 1986.