telephone logs.

[grahameb]

Mike the fact that the panic alarm was activated proves nothing as to the identity of the murderer. As for the telephone records one would have thought that any Home Secretary would have been able to access that evidence were it available. It's no use us here hypothesizing about them and then forming another hypothesis on the basis of information we don't have.

In any case had a call been made on the kitchen telephone at the time Jeremy Bamber claimed it still does not prove definitively that Ralph(Nevill) was at the other end of it. It could just as easily have been a hitman confirming to Jeremy that all had gone well,as was set out in Jeremy's plan mentioned to Julie.

Strange isn't it that when the BGB cannot prove it was Jeremy who was at the house that night they bring in a "hit man". A thing that even the police themselves deny. The BGB have really got to make up their minds what they need to believe. I suppose when it it proved that Jeremy didn't do it and a hit man didn't do it, that perhaps the pink elephant tooth fairy did it. How many more of these rediculous senarios do we have to listen to before that work out that Jeremy could not have done it because he was a few miles down the road that night and that absolutely no forensice evidence connects him with the scene and in the end all we have is the contradictory statement of a proven lying jealous druggie girlfriend who had been dumped by her lover.

[mike tesko]

Plus all these things may have been true.( Personally I have never been aware of the police telling other witnesses that someone else had phoned them as well) and notes made. But then alterered so as to fit into any senario that police want it to? This much is evidence. Because every police statement is exactly the same. This is because the police always meet for debriefing and in those debriefing meetings they do actially harmonise their notes.

Exactly...

Nobody bats an eyelid about how the contents of witness statements are made and written up - but the truth of the matter is that it comes into being as a result of a series of questions and answers, asked by a police officer, and replied to by the witness in question. But there is no record made of the questions asked, and the answers given, the contents of the statement are paraphrased by the police officer using a mixture of his own interpretation of what the witness has said, and what the witness in question may have said...

This is why you should not accept everything written up in a witness statement, because the contents may have been worded by a police officer, not by the witness in who's name the statement is made?

[susan]

Morning Grahame  very well said.  The hitman theory was dismissed by the Police what is the point of it being brought up all the time.  Yesterday it was posted up that Julie Mugford told the News of the World Jeremy had never told her he was guilty so what can we make of all this.  Now you can understand why I am confused.

[grahameb]

Exactly...

Nobody bats an eyelid about how the contents of witness statements are made and written up - but the truth of the matter is that it comes into being as a result of a series of questions and answers, asked by a police officer, and replied to by the witness in question. But there is no record made of the questions asked, and the answers given, the contents of the statement are paraphrased by the police officer using a mixture of his own interpretation of what the witness has said, and what the witness in question may have said...

This is why you should not accept everything written up in a witness statement, because the contents may have been worded by a police officer, niot by the witness in who's name the statement is made?

In fact I can witness to that fact. I had to make a statement to a police officer once and when I came to sign it I found that he used different words that I had used.

[mike tesko]

In fact I can witness to that fact. I had to make a statement to a police officer once and when I came to sign it I found that he used different words that I had used.

Correct...

This is why when witnesses attend court they are pulled to pieces by counsel for the opposition, or as a result of questions asked by the trial judge. Witnesses are given a witness statement to sign which has been drafted up and paraphrased by a police officer who in many instances knows what needs to be said and how it needs to be worded to help the prosecutions case...

This is how evidence of this nature is manipulated and wrongly relied upon to help convict someone of offences they might not ordinarily have committed...

[Bridget]

So, here we are trying to portray Julie Mugford as some sort of angel of truth. What truth? How many different versions of the truth is she going to be allowed to give? I think it more likely that although she flew in from Canada (as you point out) to attend the appeal in 2002, she was not called to testify because to have done so, it would have become apparent that she was someone who would say anything to try and make herself look good, and she probably came back to London to try and get a further deal with a newspaper and the possibility of another giant payout, money in her handbag so to speak to help fund her lifestyle back home...

Job done for the defence then.

[grahameb]

Morning Grahame  very well said.  The hitman theory was dismissed by the Police what is the point of it being brought up all the time.  Yesterday it was posted up that Julie Mugford told the News of the World Jeremy had never told her he was guilty so what can we make of all this.  Now you can understand why I am confused.

Because the BGB are always grasping at straws Susan. They have no coherent account of how it happened at all, The logical account is usually the right one, which the police came up with in the first place. That Sheila had killed her family and then killed herself. There is absolutely nothing else common sense which they can come up with. They must always say rediculous things in order to manufacture a senario where Jeremy is made to look guilty. In order to do this they must have him squeezing through windows, riding bicylces in a wetsuit, to wearing piles of clothes and leaving a blood soaked silencer in a cupboard. NOTHING at all common sense that points to Jeremy. Can you see how rediculous thse nutcase theories are. Most of them derived from the Agatha Christie mystery loving mind of RWB.

[Caroline R]

Most of them derived from the Agatha Christie mystery loving mind of RWB.

I think even she would be perplexed by this ridiculous scenario!

[lookout]

I think even she would be perplexed by this ridiculous scenario!

More Shakespeare, with the " Comedy of Errors "!. ( except that it isn't funny )

[Jane]

More Shakespeare, with the " Comedy of Errors "!. ( except that it isn't funny )

Perhaps we should call on the services of Sherlock Holmes!!!!!

[lookout]

Perhaps we should call on the services of Sherlock Holmes!!!!!

Hi April,,,they might just as well have done,,, the way everything was conducted. I'd heard of the police putting words into peoples' mouths,,but altered statements,corroborating with relatives,,,working ( after retirement ) with the relatives, I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine,,,,and there's poor Jeremy festering in a cell. I don't know who's worse,,the police or the relatives.

[grahameb]

Perhaps we should call on the services of Sherlock Holmes!!!!!

Ann: "But Robert. How did that blood get on that silencer since it was in the cupboard and not on the gun?"
Robert: "Elemetary dear Ann. Elementary. We must make up a story from Agatha Christie and go to the police about it".

[Jane]

Ann: "But Robert. How did that blood get on that silencer since it was in the cupboard and not on the gun?"
Robert: "Elemetary dear Ann. Elementary. We must make up a story from Agatha Christie and go to the police about it".

Grahame!! You are being SO naughty this morning...........but very clever!

[lookout]

Grahame!! You are being SO naughty this morning...........but very clever!

And very right too.

[Caroline R]

Ann: "But Robert. How did that blood get on that silencer since it was in the cupboard and not on the gun?"
Robert: "Elemetary dear Ann. Elementary. We must make up a story from Agatha Christie and go to the police about it".

Even Miss Marple would have seen through that story - sounds more like a frame-up "We just happened upon it gov - honest! And might I just point you to these ere scratches on the mantel" 'Wink wink!'