Guilty?

[Patti]

when you have those big search lights all directed on you as jeremy did from then on its curtains, that trial was over before it started today i would not be suprised to see it thrown out of court but back then we had incompitance everywhere.

We have incompetence now in 2012. The CCRC reject everything they see, in JB's case, they have the same answers in all of the submissions put to them.  It's a case of conflict of interest....This is why, it should be done in separate Country. 

[mertol22]

We have incompetence now in 2012. The CCRC reject everything they see, in JB's case, they have the same answers in all of the submissions put to them.  It's a case of conflict of interest....This is why, it should be done in separate Country. 

we do patti i dont question that for a moment, as ive always said from day one there is something not right here, one the one hand you saw DB getting agressive at the end of the recent documentary saying it stops here like the hell it does and on the other at the time of the books release you read Colin suprised to hear jeremy arrested and later forgives him as a saving act as i read it.

[JackiePreece]

Mertol I think that's called passing the blame

[mertol22]

Mertol I think that's called passing the blame

hi jackie or all part of the release cycle ?

[Bridget]

I will never understand the law or our legal system; it is said to be the best in the world? We see cold cases resumed and resolved....James Hanratty for example.....yet the family still proclaim he is innocent, even though modern forensic science says otherwise....

I read recently that DNA evidence can sometimes be flawed...In JB's case they were no DNA, it was still being in it's early stages.

All the EP had was a blood sample....and blood group A can relate to half of the Country......so what does that prove? Does it prove that half of the Country could have committed the crime?

In all fairness though, there should be no human blood on that silencer...unless??

The blood group A was just one of 5 tests they did, 1 produced no result so the blood matched on 3 tests other than the A/B/O grouping.

[Jane]

The greatest problem of proving how the events unfolded that night and who killed who is the total destruction of material that could now be D.N.A. tested and perhaps resolve this case.
Essex Police continued to destroy as much crime scene evidence as possible over the years.

Hi Summer
This is why people suspect a cover up! It was such a high profile case, yet a man was still protesting his innocence and, they destroy the evidence...

........and why would they do that if there's nothing to hide? That "they continued to destroy" could be translated as "anything the defence could use."

I feel convinced that whatever happened was contained within the parameters of the farmhouse and in some way went beyond a team getting its' knuckles rapped. Maybe an "error" occured, of such magnitude, that it required all those present to, if not keep their mouths shut, say only that which diverted attention away from their own actions that night. To quote JackiePreece ".....it was a stitch up by everybody concerned. Jeremy didn't stand a chance."

[Roch]

If Julie Mugford had come forward to the Police straight away after identifying the bodies then I would find her statements against Jeremy more credible.
However, she did not and instead spent loads more time with him until he dumped her!

Julie Mugford was arrested, grilled, placed under extreme pressure, micro managed to the nth degree, offered immunity, had statements altered, set up with a lucrative deal and then waved goodbye across the Atlantic.  It's taken 26-27 years for most of the above statement to become known.

Where does this leave her 'diary'? 

[bloggs and son]

Jackie I don't think that everyone was involved in a stitch up! It only takes one person to say something and the other lambs follow suit....

That's how I see it. The wolves hide behind the lambs and mingle with them immitating them then kill them secretly.

[Jane]

Jackie I don't think that everyone was involved in a stitch up! It only takes one person to say something and the other lambs follow suit....

But patti, what do you believe was the reason that one person said something that caused the other lambs to follow?

[bloggs and son]

But patti, what do you believe was the reason that one person said something that caused the other lambs to follow?

Well the fact that the police suddenly changed direction shows that something happened? The relatives did keep bothering the cops about the fact that they thought jeremy was guilty and they did have an ally in the police it seems? One officer who listened to them and then Taff Jones was taken off the case for some reason. Sounds rather like manipulation to me by someone?

[Jane]

Well the fact that the police suddenly changed direction shows that something happened? The relatives did keep bothering the cops about the fact that they thought jeremy was guilty and they did have an ally in the police it seems? One officer who listened to them and then Taff Jones was taken off the case for some reason. Sounds rather like manipulation to me by someone?

Grahame, I have to ask why was this necessary? To "nudge" somebody into a murder frame has to have more behind it than trying to cover up placing a head in a coal scuttle to stop blood flowing or tossing around towels and cushions to mop it up?

[Sparkle]

It is Julie Mugford that leads me to believe that Jeremy is innocent. I've seen people say that the idea of her accusing him of something like this just because she was dumped is madness, but I have seen first hand just how people can react when they have their hearts broken, and I'm not one bit surprised.
If my boyfriend had done something like this, not only would I have shopped him straight away, but there's no way I would have done a runner halfway across the world. I'd be staying put, and for every breath he took protesting his innocence, I would be fighting back and telling the whole world that he is wrong and I am right. How can she truly believe he did something so horrible and just start a new life and pretend all this never happened?
Shame would be my guess.

[Jane]

It is Julie Mugford that leads me to believe that Jeremy is innocent. I've seen people say that the idea of her accusing him of something like this just because she was dumped is madness, but I have seen first hand just how people can react when they have their hearts broken, and I'm not one bit surprised.
If my boyfriend had done something like this, not only would I have shopped him straight away, but there's no way I would have done a runner halfway across the world. I'd be staying put, and for every breath he took protesting his innocence, I would be fighting back and telling the whole world that he is wrong and I am right. How can she truly believe he did something so horrible and just start a new life and pretend all this never happened?
Shame would be my guess.

Hi, Sparkle. Coupled with ice cold fear would be my guess. Wonder how she lives with it.

[bloggs and son]

Grahame, I have to ask why was this necessary? To "nudge" somebody into a murder frame has to have more behind it than trying to cover up placing a head in a coal scuttle to stop blood flowing or tossing around towels and cushions to mop it up?

Hi April. Quite possibly the fact that the police had to break into the kitchen had the effect of moving Ralph in the chair and perhaps tipping him over so that his head ended up in the coal scuttle? Remember he was probably in rigor by then?
Consider also that the relatives were very quick in putting Jeremy in the frame. Now for a family to do that, don't you think it rather strange? If that had been myself the last person I would suspect would be one of my own family.

[Jane]

Hi April. Quite possibly the fact that the police had to break into the kitchen had the effect of moving Ralph in the chair and perhaps tipping him over so that his head ended up in the coal scuttle? Remember he was probably in rigor by then?
Consider also that the relatives were very quick in putting Jeremy in the frame. Now for a family to do that, don't you think it rather strange? If that had been myself the last person I would suspect would be one of my own family.

Yes, It does stop somewhere short of family support,but, Grahame, I guess your agenda wouldn't be about ridding yourself of an impediment that stood between you and your lifestyle.