Guilty?

[mertol22]

I got news for you. He's just robbed you.

I was in Asda yesterday checking out on the self service tills ( yes ladies men have cracked it including typing in barcodes }, a woman to my right saw 2 £10 notes come out of her console, a chap had just gone forgetting his change, she handed the money to customer services then said to me im stupid arnt i i should have kept it , i said yes you are and survived.

[Patti]

Hi Patti,,,believe it or not,it frightened me afterwards,because really,you tend not to look downwards until you've put your pin,etc into it,,except in my case,I was only interested in wondering what was wrong,hahaha. I actually did wonder why the chap was running so fast towards me though,,and felt quite relieved that I hadn't been able to put my pin in,,,little did I know he was running to rescue his money,and not to rob me.

Hi lookout, that must have been quite frightening....I hope you were ready to bop him one hahahahha

I'm off to Sainsbury's hope it isn't busy, catch you later. 

[bloggs and son]

Bridget, hi. In answer to your question from yesterday:

I think that when the police first entered WHF they activated a chain of events that took on life of its'own. Sheila, still just alive, according to Mike,was moved from where she was initially seen, on the kitchen floor, to the bedroom. This information was given to AE by DC Clarke before he left, with Jeremy, to take his witness statement. At some point AE is allowed in to do some clearing up!!!! and comes away with items which under other circumstances may, or may not have been used as evidence, but as this was obviously a clear cut case of murders followed by suicide it hardly mattered if their performance was sloppy and unprofessional because there was nobody else there. By the time they moved Sheila from bed to her first position on the floor, for reasons best known to themselves, I imagine that any possibility of remaining life had been put to rest..........and if all this is sounding like major cock up, I believe that's exactly what it was. But who was going to know and who was going to tell?

It all changed when the family started to drip poison about Jeremy. There's no evidence to say he did anything but then, other than an armoury of guns, there's little to say he didn't, either. You asked why they would put their careers at risk. I'm suggesting that they already HAD and they were looking round for damage limitation and any means possible to avoid revealing what had really taken place in that farmhouse. Charging Jeremy and maybe withholding anything which could cause doubt about his guilt was their way out.












 

I'm wondering if the cops entered first into the back kitchen where they found Sheila (just a theory, nothing to write home about or start a row. Just twisting things around on the picture of things) Then they broke into the kitchen via the white door and found Ralph? Hence the radio message "one dead female one dead male". Whilst they were in the kitchen Sheila ran up the back stairs holding her neck to staunch the blood and then went into the main bedroom and there shot herself again? Or of course perhaps that was where the police shot her? Nah. Because of the radio message.

[lookout]

Bridget, hi. In answer to your question from yesterday:

I think that when the police first entered WHF they activated a chain of events that took on life of its'own. Sheila, still just alive, according to Mike,was moved from where she was initially seen, on the kitchen floor, to the bedroom. This information was given to AE by DC Clarke before he left, with Jeremy, to take his witness statement. At some point AE is allowed in to do some clearing up!!!! and comes away with items which under other circumstances may, or may not have been used as evidence, but as this was obviously a clear cut case of murders followed by suicide it hardly mattered if their performance was sloppy and unprofessional because there was nobody else there. By the time they moved Sheila from bed to her first position on the floor, for reasons best known to themselves, I imagine that any possibility of remaining life had been put to rest..........and if all this is sounding like major cock up, I believe that's exactly what it was. But who was going to know and who was going to tell?

It all changed when the family started to drip poison about Jeremy. There's no evidence to say he did anything but then, other than an armoury of guns, there's little to say he didn't, either. You asked why they would put their careers at risk. I'm suggesting that they already HAD and they were looking round for damage limitation and any means possible to avoid revealing what had really taken place in that farmhouse. Charging Jeremy and maybe withholding anything which could cause doubt about his guilt was their way out.




How fortunate the dead can't speak,eh,April.?







 

[bloggs and son]

Sometimes they speak volumes lookout.

[Jane]

I'm wondering if the cops entered first into the back kitchen where they found Sheila (just a theory, nothing to write home about or start a row. Just twisting things around on the picture of things) Then they broke into the kitchen via the white door and found Ralph? Hence the radio message "one dead female one dead male". Whilst they were in the kitchen Sheila ran up the back stairs holding her neck to staunch the blood and then went into the main bedroom and there shot herself again? Or of course perhaps that was where the police shot her? Nah. Because of the radio message.

Yes Grahame, that too is a possibility. They had already pronounced her dead.

[lookout]

Absolutely,Grahame.

[SUMMER]

Sparkle, I have followed Jeremy's case and tried to read as much as I possibly can on this wonderful forum of Mike's for some time now and I have found nothing but suspicion that implicates Jeremy to the murders.
That is really what keeps me hooked to the forum.
I find it hard to believe that Jeremy was convicted on the word of a spurned girlfriend.
If Julie Mugford had come forward to the Police straight away after identifying the bodies then I would find her statements against Jeremy more credible.
However, she did not and instead spent loads more time with him until he dumped her!
I have no idea what went on inside White House Farm that terrible night and I don't think the Police do either.
The greatest problem of proving how the events unfolded that night and who killed who is the total destruction of material that could now be D.N.A. tested and perhaps resolve this case.
Essex Police continued to destroy as much crime scene evidence as possible over the years, despite being told not to due to Jeremy's appeals.
Essex Police said they had made a mistake" when it was found out what they had been up to!
Summer

[Nuala]

Sparkle, I have followed Jeremy's case and tried to read as much as I possibly can on this wonderful forum of Mike's for some time now and I have found nothing but suspicion that implicates Jeremy to the murders.
That is really what keeps me hooked to the forum.
I find it hard to believe that Jeremy was convicted on the word of a spurned girlfriend.
If Julie Mugford had come forward to the Police straight away after identifying the bodies then I would find her statements against Jeremy more credible.
However, she did not and instead spent loads more time with him until he dumped her!
I have no idea what went on inside White House Farm that terrible night and I don't think the Police do either.
The greatest problem of proving how the events unfolded that night and who killed who is the total destruction of material that could now be D.N.A. tested and perhaps resolve this case.
Essex Police continued to destroy as much crime scene evidence as possible over the years, despite being told not to due to Jeremy's appeals.
Essex Police said they had made a mistake" when it was found out what they had been up to!
Summer

Good points, Summer.

[Patti]

The greatest problem of proving how the events unfolded that night and who killed who is the total destruction of material that could now be D.N.A. tested and perhaps resolve this case.
Essex Police continued to destroy as much crime scene evidence as possible over the years.

Hi Summer
This is why people suspect a cover up! It was such a high profile case, yet a man was still protesting his innocence and, they destroy the evidence...

[mertol22]

The greatest problem of proving how the events unfolded that night and who killed who is the total destruction of material that could now be D.N.A. tested and perhaps resolve this case.
Essex Police continued to destroy as much crime scene evidence as possible over the years.

Hi Summer
This is why people suspect a cover up! It was such a high profile case, yet a man was still protesting his innocence and, they destroy the evidence...

i think most people will agree the methods of investigation for the time  viewed under the spotlight today look and are primative and dated, i was hoping for the Arizona tests to make the breakthrough so badly needed, whatever evidence is left or exists today should be looked again but using 21st Century forensics if the truth could be known its down to costs nothing more .

[Patti]

i think most people will agree the methods of investigation for the time  viewed under the spotlight today look and are primative and dated, i was hoping for the Arizona tests to make the breakthrough so badly needed, whatever evidence is left or exists today should be looked again but using 21st Century forensics if the truth could be known its down to costs nothing more .

I will never understand the law or our legal system; it is said to be the best in the world? We see cold cases resumed and resolved....James Hanratty for example.....yet the family still proclaim he is innocent, even though modern forensic science says otherwise....

I read recently that DNA evidence can sometimes be flawed...In JB's case they were no DNA, it was still being in it's early stages.

All the EP had was a blood sample....and blood group A can relate to half of the Country......so what does that prove? Does it prove that half of the Country could have committed the crime?

In all fairness though, there should be no human blood on that silencer...unless??

[JackiePreece]

Patti a stitch up by everyone involved, he didn't stand a chance

[Patti]

Patti a stitch up by everyone involved, he didn't stand a chance

Jackie I don't think that everyone was involved in a stitch up! It only takes one person to say something and the other lambs follow suit....

[mertol22]

Jackie I don't think that everyone was involved in a stitch up! It only takes one person to say something and the other lambs follow suit....

when you have those big search lights all directed on you as jeremy did from then on its curtains, that trial was over before it started today i would not be suprised to see it thrown out of court but back then we had incompitance everywhere.