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Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #780 on: June 12, 2012, 07:50:PM »
Patti, hi and your words are really kind, thank you. I watched the video. Had I not known in advance what It was about, I would have said he was a reasonable young man!!!! That's chilling in itself. I read some of Hare's papers at college, he was probably one of those who convinced me that psychopathy is a mixture of socialization and genetics, actually he could have been speaking of my mother, who was truly incapable of considering anybody elses feelings in any way, other than how they impacted on her. I'm certain she was on the psychopathic spectrum.

I was told something today which I found, at best thought provoking, at worst, chilling. I hope you don't mind if I run it by you. I was paid a visit by the person who manages the complex where I live. Still in my jarmies and on line, I explained what it was that was holding my interest-and discovered just how small the world is. She had previously worked for a mental health trust whose senior psychiatrists were required to assess prisoners deemed to have committed serious crimes. Two of their number visited Jeremy and both assessed him as a psychopath. I pointed out that he had been tested on 27(?) different occasions and the results for psychopathy were negative. She said that none of those tests were random and had all been done at Jeremy's request and he knew when they were going to happen which would have enabled him to have control of how he
 presented himself. She did however, agree that there is room for doubt, she was fully aware of the cock up made by EP, and she agreed that being a psychopath doesn't necessarily make him a killer........

......Which is the one thing I would take the video to task over. I know it was sensationalism to hold the viewers attention, but I think she rather overstressed the potential danger of psychopaths, when we know the vast majority are out there, living their lives, albeit with a different mindset, like the rest of us.

At the moment, I probably put microchips in the same catagory as chemical castration, genetic engineering and embryonic research.
April, was this woman in any way qualified to comment on the results of psychiatrists tests on Jeremy?  She may have been mistaken and Jeremy has also been tested to ensure he is not hiding his psychopathy from other people or even himself so I would doubt the autheticity of her statement. imo

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« Reply #781 on: June 12, 2012, 07:51:PM »
Patti, hi and your words are really kind, thank you. I watched the video. Had I not known in advance what It was about, I would have said he was a reasonable young man!!!! That's chilling in itself. I read some of Hare's papers at college, he was probably one of those who convinced me that psychopathy is a mixture of socialization and genetics, actually he could have been speaking of my mother, who was truly incapable of considering anybody elses feelings in any way, other than how they impacted on her. I'm certain she was on the psychopathic spectrum.

I was told something today which I found, at best thought provoking, at worst, chilling. I hope you don't mind if I run it by you. I was paid a visit by the person who manages the complex where I live. Still in my jarmies and on line, I explained what it was that was holding my interest-and discovered just how small the world is. She had previously worked for a mental health trust whose senior psychiatrists were required to assess prisoners deemed to have committed serious crimes. Two of their number visited Jeremy and both assessed him as a psychopath. I pointed out that he had been tested on 27(?) different occasions and the results for psychopathy were negative. She said that none of those tests were random and had all been done at Jeremy's request and he knew when they were going to happen which would have enabled him to have control of how he
 presented himself. She did however, agree that there is room for doubt, she was fully aware of the cock up made by EP, and she agreed that being a psychopath doesn't necessarily make him a killer........

......Which is the one thing I would take the video to task over. I know it was sensationalism to hold the viewers attention, but I think she rather overstressed the potential danger of psychopaths, when we know the vast majority are out there, living their lives, albeit with a different mindset, like the rest of us.

At the moment, I probably put microchips in the same catagory as chemical castration, genetic engineering and embryonic research.

Very interesting, thanks for posting.

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Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #782 on: June 12, 2012, 07:53:PM »
Not very professional I must say.

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Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #783 on: June 12, 2012, 07:55:PM »
Very interesting, thanks for posting.
Mat this is hearsay.

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« Reply #784 on: June 12, 2012, 07:58:PM »
Mat this is hearsay.

Oh, I know, I just found the conversation interesting.

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« Reply #785 on: June 12, 2012, 08:14:PM »
Just to clarify April, it was two of the senior psychiatrists who are said to have assessed him?
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« Reply #786 on: June 12, 2012, 08:30:PM »
April, was this woman in any way qualified to comment on the results of psychiatrists tests on Jeremy?  She may have been mistaken and Jeremy has also been tested to ensure he is not hiding his psychopathy from other people or even himself so I would doubt the autheticity of her statement. imo

Maggie, hi. I believe she has a psych degree and has held various positions in NHS, in what sounds like a supporting capacity. Certainly, she remains open minded enough to accept that the diagnosis was only the opinion of two people. I think you all know me well enough to know that I always question agendas and I have the feeling that these professional gentlemen would not take kindly to their findings being challenged by other professionals.

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« Reply #787 on: June 12, 2012, 08:34:PM »
Not very professional I must say.

Hello, lookout, I feel that the lack of professionalism must rest on my own shoulders. It was remiss of me to pass it on, but, like Mat, I found it interesting and thought that you, too, would think the same.

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« Reply #788 on: June 12, 2012, 08:40:PM »
Just to clarify April, it was two of the senior psychiatrists who are said to have assessed him?

Bridget, hi. Gosh, this would be so much easier if I was clever enough to get it all into one post!!! The "two" were, I guess, who ever were responsible for assessing the mental health of prisoners, within that particular health authority.

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« Reply #789 on: June 12, 2012, 08:44:PM »
April,
Mat has an agenda just like Bridget they are both members of the Lamberton forum where they put all sorts of propaganda over the internet
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« Reply #790 on: June 12, 2012, 08:46:PM »
April,
Mat has an agenda just like Bridget they are both members of the Lamberton forum where they put all sorts of propaganda over the internet

What the heck? I didn't post anything, I just said it was an interesting post.

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« Reply #791 on: June 12, 2012, 08:48:PM »
April, was this woman in any way qualified to comment on the results of psychiatrists tests on Jeremy?  She may have been mistaken and Jeremy has also been tested to ensure he is not hiding his psychopathy from other people or even himself so I would doubt the autheticity of her statement. imo

I would question whether or not patient confidentiality had been broken somewhere along the line there!

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« Reply #792 on: June 12, 2012, 08:48:PM »
So Mat will you be going over to the anti-bamber forum tonight or are you already logged on
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« Reply #793 on: June 12, 2012, 08:50:PM »
I would question whether or not patient confidentiality had been broken somewhere along the line there!


Very good point, if its true, April didnt sound too sure
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« Reply #794 on: June 12, 2012, 08:50:PM »
So Mat will you be going over to the anti-bamber forum tonight or are you already logged on

I'm sure you'll be on there longer than me - Jackie. You normally are taking screen shots and quoting posts to show on here. You xxxx.