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Offline JackiePreece

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Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #480 on: June 09, 2012, 09:33:PM »
I cannot imagine what it must feel like Jackie but I wonder how Jeremy manages to go on.

Maggie
Jeremy must get used to people being disloyal, I see it everywhere
I would never have anything to do with anybody who wasn't interested in getting to the truth
These people make my skin crawl
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Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #481 on: June 09, 2012, 09:36:PM »
At the end of chapter 20 of Wilkes' book it suggested that even 'Taff' Jones was disappointed that Jeremy was released on bail for the caravan park burglary, that isn't what I had been led to believe previously,I thought that 'Taff' took to his grave the belief that JB was innocent. I've also read Wilkes' account of Stan Jones' interviewing of JB and although I find the way it seems to be  set out so as to suggest that Jeremy was possibly guilty I also think that I would like to behave the same way under interrogation for crime I honestly didn't commit. I found it a very honest and frank response to the questions, he simply refused to be drawn in by Stan Jones but that seems to have irked him more. He seems to have been a rather nasty chap.
I wonder ajross if the fact that Jeremy was from a priviledged background and had been to public school went against him.  There could have been an inverted snobbery and unrecognised jealousy towards Jeremy which influenced people like Stan Jones in a negative way.  No doubt not helped by Jeremys attitude but maybe that was misinterpreted by Stan Jones et al.

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« Reply #482 on: June 09, 2012, 09:40:PM »
I wonder ajross if the fact that Jeremy was from a priviledged background and had been to public school went against him.  There could have been an inverted snobbery and unrecognised jealousy towards Jeremy which influenced people like Stan Jones in a negative way.  No doubt not helped by Jeremys attitude but maybe that was misinterpreted by Stan Jones et al.

This Jones charcater definitely had it in for him and you have to wonder why, the book makes it out to be more than just about a crime, it really does seem very personal.

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Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #483 on: June 09, 2012, 09:42:PM »
Sorry to disagree Patti, but it's not. This was dealt with at the appeal in 2002, read paragraph 175 onwards :)


I would imagine that there'd have been more than a trace of residue on Sheila judging by the pic of her with the rifle resting on her body. Also " bloody " handmarks on her nightdress.  Whose hands.?
Included, were 4 other " unidentified " prints on the rifle itself. What did the cops do,,toss a coin.?

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Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #484 on: June 09, 2012, 09:42:PM »
Maggie
Jeremy must get used to people being disloyal, I see it everywhere
I would never have anything to do with anybody who wasn't interested in getting to the truth
These people make my skin crawl
The nature of the beast attracts a certain amount of publicity seekers and egoists unfortunately, that is for sure but it must be so difficult to be alienated from the world.  I believe Jeremy has had some terrible times when he's been totally alone (apart from Mike) without hope.  I guess you hang on to anything that promises you some sort of emotional security, even if it ends up becoming another trap.imo

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« Reply #485 on: June 09, 2012, 09:50:PM »
So right Maggie, how many times can you survive being let down

The good news is I know from my contact with MWT is he is still right behind Jeremys campaign and I am almost certain we will be hearing from Mark again when the time is right
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Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #486 on: June 09, 2012, 09:53:PM »
Sorry to disagree Patti, but it's not. This was dealt with at the appeal in 2002, read paragraph 175 onwards :)

I disagree again Bridget. DRH33 serial number 17  DRH44 serial number 75?  are two separate hand swabs. After DRH33 had been rejected, the police could never have resubmitted the same swabs, it would be ludicrous to even suggest it and, not good practice by the police, especially after being told of cross examination.  Bridget it is a good argument for any defence team...Therefore, the jury was misled into thinking that she had no residue on her hands... ;) ;)

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« Reply #487 on: June 09, 2012, 09:56:PM »
I disagree again Bridget. DRH33 serial number 17  DRH44 serial number 75?  are two separate hand swabs. After DRH33 had been rejected, the police could never have resubmitted the same swabs, it would be ludicrous to even suggest it and, not good practice by the police, especially after being told of cross examination.  Bridget it is a good argument for any defence team...Therefore, the jury was misled into thinking that she had no residue on her hands... ;) ;)

But you are making exactly the argument made at appeal, and even jeremy's lawyer gave up on it. The court of appeal rejected it with a very full explanation.
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« Reply #488 on: June 09, 2012, 10:00:PM »
But you are making exactly the argument made at appeal, and even jeremy's lawyer gave up on it. The court of appeal rejected it with a very full explanation.
What was that Bridget?

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Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #489 on: June 09, 2012, 10:04:PM »
But you are making exactly the argument made at appeal, and even jeremy's lawyer gave up on it. The court of appeal rejected it with a very full explanation.

Flawed evidence Bridget, which makes the test pointless. Two different numbers and two different serial numbers...Are you saying the police resubmitted evidence that was rejected? Prove it...lol :)

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Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #490 on: June 09, 2012, 10:08:PM »
I disagree again Bridget. DRH33 serial number 17  DRH44 serial number 75?  are two separate hand swabs. After DRH33 had been rejected, the police could never have resubmitted the same swabs, it would be ludicrous to even suggest it and, not good practice by the police, especially after being told of cross examination.  Bridget it is a good argument for any defence team...Therefore, the jury was misled into thinking that she had no residue on her hands... ;) ;)


Very good points Patti and I look forward to the next Appeal Court Hearing it's going to be a whole different story.

Bridget your friend Mrs Hall is getting slaughtered on the dark site she might appreciate your help.
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Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #491 on: June 09, 2012, 10:10:PM »
But nothing like you'd expect if she has been firing a weapon so many times.

The test was botched - contaminated. Yet lo and behold, when the swabs were tested again there was little or trace of that contamination. Sorry, there are too many question marks against those tests

Sorry, I just don't trust everything posted here anymore - a lot of it I have found to be wrong or that I'm being bullshitted by people who want certain things to go away. (Not talking about you Patti or Mags).

Resorting to personal attacks: that's a hallmark of a weak case and an all too transparent propaganda exercises

But when I first joined I brought up the pyscopath - and was told that he's never failed a test for that, no expert has called him it - which was all utter bullshit but people took as fact.

Failure to mention the 20 odd psychologists who found JB was a psychopath: biased cherry picking is another indicator or transparent propaganda

I was also told that a sniffer dog was taken TO Jeremy to sniff him - which again was more spin and bullshit.

The reports are on here, why not read them?

And people wonder why Jeremy is in prison still...even those those post for his innocent evither don't have their stories straight (they have blamed sheila, posted their 'evidence' sheila did it) but then they change their opinion and suddenly...it was James Bell....they've got a new theory.....it's all doing so much harm.

More personalised attacks, more propaganda. New evidence is emerging which suggests Bell was a psychopath, that he had a history of violence, that he was a murderer, that he threatened Nevill, that he threw bullets at Nevill and threatened more to come, that he had a deep grudge against Nevill and his family, that Bell killed his wife and himself and attacked others within a year of the WHF murders. Bell had the motive, the means and the opportunity and that this was never raised at the trial
As you want the truth why are you not calling for this to be investigated? 



And for the first time since I've joined I've realised that the forum really is doing more harm than good for Bamber. His supporters don't like each other, they fight on twitter, they post conflicting evidence..they confuse issues and they feed the defence team with so much stuff that it all just goes wrong.

You wish...

Infact, most of the members here have spent a while slagging down the campaign team.

Slagging off re slagging off: more propaganda

But I'm sure people here won't agree and don't see it.



Anti JB propaganda exercises like this one are all too transparent.

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Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #492 on: June 09, 2012, 10:13:PM »
I wonder ajross if the fact that Jeremy was from a priviledged background and had been to public school went against him.  There could have been an inverted snobbery and unrecognised jealousy towards Jeremy which influenced people like Stan Jones in a negative way.  No doubt not helped by Jeremys attitude but maybe that was misinterpreted by Stan Jones et al.

Maggie, without a shadow of doubt.!!!!! When I first left school, like Jeremy, without a qualification, save elocution and voice production!!!, to my name, I did several dead end jobs. My life was made a living hell. I was bullied relentlessly. Despite being at the bottom of the pile, THEY said I thought I was better than them and accused me of "talking posh". I never knew that I spoke differently from anybody else. The difference lay in the fact that I was never rude, I never answered back and I was always polite.......and then THEY accused me of being insolent!!!!! I really couldn't win.

I can easily see how a hardnosed copper, who may have had to claw his way to his, now lofty position, who may have had to fight hard to achieve something better than he had started with (and well done him, for effort) would have been more than a little resentful of Jeremy.

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Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #493 on: June 09, 2012, 10:16:PM »
Mat

Why are the psychopath etc tests jeremy has undertaken 'utter bullshit'?


They aren't, Maggie, it's pure propaganda to claim that they are.

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Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #494 on: June 09, 2012, 10:19:PM »
I one thing just occured, I'm sure Mike posted that there was an empty tampon applicator in the living room, Wlkes states that Ann Eaton saw a tampon applicator with either half a tampon or half a tampon protruding. Does anybody know the truth of the matter? The reason I ask is that Robert Boutflour seems convinced that the tampon was used to clean the silencer somehow (according to Wilkes)