Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF

[guest154]

But nothing like you'd expect if she has been firing a weapon so many times. Sorry, I just don't trust everything posted here anymore - a lot of it I have found to be wrong or that I'm being bullshitted by people who want certain things to go away. (Not talking about you Patti or Mags).

But when I first joined I brought up the pyscopath - and was told that he's never failed a test for that, no expert has called him it - which was all utter bullshit but people took as fact. I was also told that a sniffer dog was taken TO Jeremy to sniff him - which again was more spin and bullshit.

And people wonder why Jeremy is in prison still...even those those post for his innocent evither don't have their stories straight (they have blamed sheila, posted their 'evidence' sheila did it) but then they change their opinion and suddenly...it was James Bell....they've got a new theory.....it's all doing so much harm.

And for the first time since I've joined I've realised that the forum really is doing more harm than good for Bamber. His supporters don't like each other, they fight on twitter, they post conflicting evidence..they confuse issues and they feed the defence team with so much stuff that it all just goes wrong.

Infact, most of the members here have spent a while slagging down the campaign team.

But I'm sure people here won't agree and don't see it.

[Patti]

But nothing like you'd expect if she has been firing a weapon so many times. Sorry, I just don't trust everything posted here anymore - a lot of it I have found to be wrong or that I'm being bullshitted by people who want certain things to go away. (Not talking about you Patti or Mags).

But when I first joined I brought up the pyscopath - and was told that he's never failed a test for that, no expert has called him it - which was all utter bullshit but people took as fact. I was also told that a sniffer dog was taken TO Jeremy to sniff him - which again was more spin and bullshit.

And people wonder why Jeremy is in prison still...even those those post for his innocent evither don't have their stories straight (they have blamed sheila, posted their 'evidence' sheila did it) but then they change their opinion and suddenly...it was James Bell....they've got a new theory.....it's all doing so much harm.

And for the first time since I've joined I've realised that the forum really is doing more harm than good for Bamber. His supporters don't like each other, they fight on twitter, they post conflicting evidence..they confuse issues and they feed the defence team with so much stuff that it all just goes wrong.

Infact, most of the members here have spent a while slagging down the campaign team.

But I'm sure people here won't agree and don't see it.

Hi mat

It is very difficult to know what is true and what is false.  For most of time, folk  post their opinions, this is what the forum is for. There will always be an argument for and against, especially when the facts, evidence and forensic science is not available or never taken.

I am a big believer in having an open mind but, I am also a believer in facts, evidence and science if it is available and use this in part of my argument.  I also create myths in my own mind and try to work out possibilities.....

If truth be known....I am not 100% certain in any of this and, this is why I go through so much reading and exploring; to me this is essential to the arguments presented on the forum.

We have little to go on, so much so that the theories develop and the debates begin......

I don't slag anyone of mat, we are all entitled to have an opinion and, this is what makes a great debate....

 

[Roch]

But nothing like you'd expect if she has been firing a weapon so many times. Sorry, I just don't trust everything posted here anymore - a lot of it I have found to be wrong or that I'm being bullshitted by people who want certain things to go away. (Not talking about you Patti or Mags).

But when I first joined I brought up the pyscopath - and was told that he's never failed a test for that, no expert has called him it - which was all utter bullshit but people took as fact. I was also told that a sniffer dog was taken TO Jeremy to sniff him - which again was more spin and bullshit.

And people wonder why Jeremy is in prison still...even those those post for his innocent evither don't have their stories straight (they have blamed sheila, posted their 'evidence' sheila did it) but then they change their opinion and suddenly...it was James Bell....they've got a new theory.....it's all doing so much harm.

And for the first time since I've joined I've realised that the forum really is doing more harm than good for Bamber. His supporters don't like each other, they fight on twitter, they post conflicting evidence..they confuse issues and they feed the defence team with so much stuff that it all just goes wrong.

Infact, most of the members here have spent a while slagging down the campaign team.

But I'm sure people here won't agree and don't see it.

Forum is not an official site Mat.  It's healthy for people top disagree / debate / reconsider / eliminate etc.  There is disagreement on your side of the fence.  Most longstanding guilty camp members have admitted via pm that the silencer is dodgy.  Two of the members linked to JB's relatves and one other who is not, this admission is a step too far and they retain confidence in the silencer evidence, at least outwardly.  Please post up the psychologists quotation re psychopathy.  I believe you are referring to an excerpt from the Wilkes book? 

Re Sheila, look at where her hand is placed (over the vents).  You've been ripped off with those swabs.

[maggie]

Mat

Why are the psychopath etc tests jeremy has undertaken 'utter bullshit'?

[JackiePreece]

Maggie he is just here to cause trouble again, ignore it and it will go away

He has his loyal band of supporters that believe everything they are told
Let them get on with it, it just damages things for Jeremy, which is why we are here

[bloggs and son]

But nothing like you'd expect if she has been firing a weapon so many times. Sorry, I just don't trust everything posted here anymore - a lot of it I have found to be wrong or that I'm being bullshitted by people who want certain things to go away. (Not talking about you Patti or Mags).

But when I first joined I brought up the pyscopath - and was told that he's never failed a test for that, no expert has called him it - which was all utter bullshit but people took as fact. I was also told that a sniffer dog was taken TO Jeremy to sniff him - which again was more spin and bullshit.

And people wonder why Jeremy is in prison still...even those those post for his innocent evither don't have their stories straight (they have blamed sheila, posted their 'evidence' sheila did it) but then they change their opinion and suddenly...it was James Bell....they've got a new theory.....it's all doing so much harm.

And for the first time since I've joined I've realised that the forum really is doing more harm than good for Bamber. His supporters don't like each other, they fight on twitter, they post conflicting evidence..they confuse issues and they feed the defence team with so much stuff that it all just goes wrong.

Infact, most of the members here have spent a while slagging down the campaign team.

But I'm sure people here won't agree and don't see it.

Mat, you should not trust ANYTHING posted here or anywhere else from those for or against Bamber. You must only trust that which had documented proof. a forum is just that, a forum and nothing else. It is a place for airing views and nothing else. It is not for finding evidence for freeing Bamber. That is for the defence team and for them alone. I don't expect anything any of us say on this forum would do anything for Jeremy Bamber or will make him more guilty or less guilty. If you thought that the forum was the place where you could download documentary proof of Bamber's guilt or innocence then you have come to the wrong place. And I hate to say it. Butthis applies to any forum whether it be this or another.

[maggie]

Maggie he is just here to cause trouble again, ignore it and it will go away

He has his loyal band of supporters that believe everything they are told
Let them get on with it, it just damages things for Jeremy, which is why we are here

That is true Jackie but I am curious as to his example. I know a few people have claimed Jerremy is a psychopath but it becomes clear these people, tho qualified have never met Jeremy.  No professional should diagnose on hearsay in my humble opinion.

[JackiePreece]

That is true Jackie but I am curious as to his example. I know a few people have claimed Jerremy is a psychopath but it becomes clear these people, tho qualified have never met Jeremy.  No professional should diagnose on hearsay in my humble opinion.

I think more evidence of being a psychopath is when you write to Jeremy and make out you are his friend but are also friendly with the dirty tricks brigade of people trying to keep Jeremy in prison by any means even though they have no proof of his guilt

[Nuala]

Was it Dr Carl Sagan who said the biggest liar is a book

A wise observation, Mertol.

Where did much of Wilkes' information come from? From a witch hunt by the press and from those who opposed Jeremy being allowed a fair Appeal

the picture of JB painted in all of these books seem to have a pattern, they paint him with not too much favour, those deep dark eyes the eyes of a killer,


Which is just how Jeremy was misrepresented by the witch hunter generals of the tabloids

i knew someone with the same eyes ,not a killer but a post mortem room technician who was previous in the army as a medic saving lives, most books are published to make the author money in not all but most cases reading is one thing believing is quite another.

[JackiePreece]

Still it must be great amusement for the official campaign team I bet it all gets filtered back to Jeremy

Poor bloke, imagine what it must feel like

[maggie]

Still it must be great amusement for the official campaign team I bet it all gets filtered back to Jeremy

Poor bloke, imagine what it must feel like

I cannot imagine what it must feel like Jackie but I wonder how Jeremy manages to go on.

[Nuala]

Because he didn't do it.

Exactly! Well said, Lonny.

[Nuala]

I would imagine, bridget, Jeremy thought the case would fail because he had't done it and believed in British justice.  He was unaware that people like yourself knew better than him.

I believe that's very true, Maggie. We all like to believe in British justice. I don't believe Jeremy would have known how often the British justice system fails the innocent.

[Bridget]

It is right Bridget........and by the time they took more swabs she had been washed down.   

Sorry to disagree Patti, but it's not. This was dealt with at the appeal in 2002, read paragraph 175 onwards

[ajross]

At the end of chapter 20 of Wilkes' book it suggested that even 'Taff' Jones was disappointed that Jeremy was released on bail for the caravan park burglary, that isn't what I had been led to believe previously,I thought that 'Taff' took to his grave the belief that JB was innocent. I've also read Wilkes' account of Stan Jones' interviewing of JB and although I find the way it seems to be  set out so as to suggest that Jeremy was possibly guilty I also think that I would like to behave the same way under interrogation for crime I honestly didn't commit. I found it a very honest and frank response to the questions, he simply refused to be drawn in by Stan Jones but that seems to have irked him more. He seems to have been a rather nasty chap.