Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF

[Patti]

Ah, right. Thanks Patti.

i wouldn't lie to you mat...it is documented.....

[mertol22]

the dog was found under the bed mat....The police put the dog in the wardrobe it wasn't locked. The poor thing was put there, so it would not ruin the crime scene.....

The dog Crispy.....was affectionally known as the pest.....

Patti Colin says in the book that the dog was running around for the best part of a hour before a officer realised he may be contaminating evidence ,i trust that officer was promoted , that grey hair in the silencer part of the same thing ??

[bloggs and son]

Shame she didn't cry Grahame when she went to identify the bodies of two young children and the rest of the family. 

Yes, she cried in court....it was said she was difficult to cross-examine. 

Yeah, they should have told her to put a sock in it.

[guest154]

i wouldn't lie to you mat...it is documented.....

No I beleive you! Was saying thanks for the information.

[Patti]

It is a fact though, that the police found no evidence to convict Jeremy Bamber. 

[Nuala]

Could explain why the dog at WHF wasn't killed and was locked in the cupboard.

No, he disliked that one. I'm a great animal lover but, given the breed, I'm unsurprised. Those things pee and p**p in their owners' baths.

[bloggs and son]

No, he disliked that one. I'm a great animal lover but, given the breed, I'm unsurprised. Those things pee and p**p in their owners' baths.

I like big dogs myself. Like a Husky with those wolflike features. I'd feel safe walking down the road with a dog like that.

[mertol22]

I like big dogs myself. Like a Husky with those wolflike features. I'd feel safe walking down the road with a dog like that.

2 near us grahame guy trains them on a sleigh with wheels ,they went lupo in january all that snow howling like hell just like in a sherlock holmes film.

[ajross]

Woah, AJ...

JM did also smash Jeremy's mirror (and Chinese cabinet?) and admitted trying to kill Jeremy by smothering him in his sleep.

Anyone who smashes my Chinese cabinet has a good slap coming to them.

Sorry, I'm just trying to stick to the thread . My posts are from the point of view of 'the reader' in this particular scene Julie comes across very much as the maltreated victim an JB, in these couple of chapters, is painted as a spiteful violent nasty individual. Wilkes may have wanted to write a balanced book but this is the character that he establishes for JB from the beginning which makes it easier, as a reader, to stand against him. In Wilkes' defence he does also seem to suggest that JM is playing a bit of a game but he tries to explain this away as fear, love and emotional turmoil.

[ajross]

but that does not make someone guilty of 5 murders. He does admit to pushing her on the bed...but denies twisting her arm up her back.....

Come on AJ....She claimed to know that he had committed the murders, then in the next breath she claims he had hired someone to commit the murders....Which bit is true?

She put a pillow over his face whilst he was sleeping......He asked her why she had done that, and she states in her statement..."well If I can't have you no one can" her words....

Anyway, this is hearsay and no way is it proof that he picked up a gun and shot his family...is it? 

Sorry, I am only discussing what I'm reading in his particular book and what is being presented, it is interesting that although there is reference to what is tantamount to an assault on Julie and her flat mate earlier, there has so far been no reference to a 'smothering'. This is exactly my point. After creating such a horrible character I think it will be hard to redeem him later in the book.

Keira - Wilkes mentions JM smashing a mirror and a small Chinese box before 'attacking' Julie, however his response to this is cold, emotionless and almost goading which again gives a bleak view of JB.

[ajross]

The problem with hearsay patti is on its own means little mixed with other things it starts to be taken as factual.

Excellent, because this book is presented as a factual account of the events and yet, as Wilkes doesn't give any times or dates or evidence of his quotes and facts, the book is reduced to nothing but hearsay, nothing concrete and at times inflammatory.

[susan]

Morning ajross  I have been reading through your posts and agree Jeremy did so many things to paint a bad picture of himself.  I always thought he was is own worst enemy and can see how people thought him to be without emotion immature naive.  I think he was an attention seeker perhaps he had none as a child I don,t know but even at the Trial I think he was play acting somewhat and enjoying the attention but, alas, he never expected the outcome of guilty. I am sure if he could go back he may have taken the matter of being accused of murder more seriously.  But I for one feel this behaviour does not make him a Murderer.

[bloggs and son]

Morning ajross  I have been reading through your posts and agree Jeremy did so many things to paint a bad picture of himself.  I always thought he was is own worst enemy and can see how people thought him to be without emotion immature naive.  I think he was an attention seeker perhaps he had none as a child I don,t know but even at the Trial I think he was play acting somewhat and enjoying the attention but, alas, he never expected the outcome of guilty. I am sure if he could go back he may have taken the matter of being accused of murder more seriously.  But I for one feel this behaviour does not make him a Murderer.

Unfortunately all this "goading" and mistreatment of JM by JB gives JM a very good reason to lie.

[susan]

Morning Grahame  I have never thought Jeremy to be a bad person just misguided in his young days.  I feel due to is upbringing he became a bit of a rebel and an attention seeker but in no way do I think he could have been responsible for the murders of his family.  As far as Julie goes not read much about her but she came over to me as somewhat strange.

[mertol22]

Sorry, I am only discussing what I'm reading in his particular book and what is being presented, it is interesting that although there is reference to what is tantamount to an assault on Julie and her flat mate earlier, there has so far been no reference to a 'smothering'. This is exactly my point. After creating such a horrible character I think it will be hard to redeem him later in the book.

Keira - Wilkes mentions JM smashing a mirror and a small Chinese box before 'attacking' Julie, however his response to this is cold, emotionless and almost goading which again gives a bleak view of JB.

Was it Dr Carl Sagan who said the biggest liar is a book, the picture of JB painted in all of these books seem to have a pattern, they paint him with not too much favour, those deep dark eyes the eyes of a killer, i knew someone with the same eyes ,not a killer but a post mortem room technician who was previous in the army as a medic saving lives, most books are published to make the author money in not all but most cases reading is one thing believing is quite another.