Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF

[Steve_uk]

Steve, you're very quick to throw onto others any responsibility you may own. Might this be because you find it dificult to apologize?

Nobody here would deny the magnitude of Colin's loss. Some of us may understand just how much guilt is tied in with that. IMO, one NEVER recovers from grief but it very slowly retreats to a place where, for the most part, it doesn't fully overwhelm us as it had previously.

As for what you see as Julie's ordeal, I saw on her face, expressions NO different from Jeremy's. I can accept that Jeremy, not previously having lost his whole family, had no idea of how to be, but I find her lack of emotion inexplicable. When my beloved partners young son was killed, he shed tears only in my presence because that's where he felt safe. At the funeral, I wept copiously the tears he couldn't. I cried for his son. I cried for him because I couldn't cope with HIS loss. Julie remained fixed throughout. If nit wasn't in her to cry for those little boys, for the loss of his sister and parents. Surely she could have found it in her to cry for the man she supposedly loved so much that if she couldn't have him, no one else would.

Jeremy was blubbering enough for both of them. Starnge that her emotion in the witness box suddenly becomes crocodile tears.

[lookout]

Steve,,sorry and sad to say that the woman was as hard as nails. No tears at the thought of Jeremy serving life. JMs' tears flowed when it suited.

[Jane]

Jeremy was blubbering enough for both of them. Starnge that her emotion in the witness box suddenly becomes crocodile tears.

Even stranger that she seemed able to turn them on and off at will. You know Steve, it's really quite easy to admit to being wrong. If you practise saying "I'm sorry" in a mirror you'll soon get the hang of it.

[Steve_uk]

Even stranger that she seemed able to turn them on and off at will. You know Steve, it's really quite easy to admit to being wrong. If you practise saying "I'm sorry" in a mirror you'll soon get the hang of it.

I realize that the David Bain release has given Jeremy and his legal team a smidgen of hope,and to this end you have to knock not only Julie but all the relatives and Basil Cock,Charles Marsden,James Richards and Doris Foakes,but you won't succeed because the relatives have children who would live in fear were Jeremy ever to be released,let alone Julie and her family in Winnipeg.

[lookout]

Steve,,what do you suppose Jeremy would do on release,,that those who put him there would be afraid of.?

[Jane]

Steve,,what do you suppose Jeremy would do on release,,that those who put him there would be afraid of.?

And by what means would he, penniless, get to Winnipeg?

[Steve_uk]

And by what means would he, penniless, get to Winnipeg?

Oh there's the matter of compensation for wrongful incarceration but I'm glad you've slanted your argument in favour of there not being a payout should Jeremy wangle a release on some technicality or other.

[Jane]

Oh there's the matter of compensation for wrongful incarceration but I'm glad you've slanted your argument in favour of there not being a payout should Jeremy wangle a release on some technicality or other.

What argument are you imagining that to be, Steve. I was merely enquiring how a penniless man would make his way to Winnipeg, thats presuming that he would wish to, when there might well be the more pressing needs of food and shelter. Frankly I see no reason for him ever to wish setting eyes on Julie again.

[lookout]

Or indeed any of the extended family. It's Jeremy who'd need protecting on release,,nobody else.

[killingeve]

Morning N/N  how ya today.  Perhaps JM was seeking attention especially from males, again identifying the bodies was maybe her seeking attention again.  Some females do make up stories for some bizarre reason maybe to do with their childhood or something lacking in their childhood.  She certainly got the attention she was craving when Jeremy was sent to prison for life.

Hi Susan

I hope you're well. 

I get the feeling there's something not right with JM.  I ask myself what  the statistical chances are of one female encountering all 3 of the following:

1. Physical abuse at the hands of step-father

2. Rape by unidentified male

3. Boyfriend of <2 yrs murdering 5 members of his adoptive family.

Steve_uk appears to have intimate knowledge of JM and  in an earlier post I asked him if he was able and willing to shed any further light on 1 and 2 = no response.

[Jane]

Hi Susan

I hope you're well. 

I get the feeling there's something not right with JM.  I ask myself what  the statistical chances are of one female encountering all 3 of the following:

1. Physical abuse at the hands of step-father

2. Rape by unidentified male

3. Boyfriend of <2 yrs murdering 5 members of his adoptive family.

Steve_uk appears to have intimate knowledge of JM and  in an earlier post I asked him if he was able and willing to shed any further light on 1 and 2 = no response.

NaNu HI I suggested "Drama Queen" So used to it within the family for the reasons you outline that life with out it isn't normal She then has to seek it, ie excitement/danger, cause it to be where she is AND be in the centre of it.

[killingeve]

NaNu HI I suggested "Drama Queen" So used to it within the family for the reasons you outline that life with out it isn't normal She then has to seek it, ie excitement/danger, cause it to be where she is AND be in the centre of it.

Hi April

I think you're probably right.  I just struggle to understand how she sleeps at night knowing her 'evidence' was partly responsible for convicting a young innocent man to prison for life for the heinous crime of murdering his entire immediate adoptive family.

[Jane]

Hi April

I think you're probably right.  I just struggle to understand how she sleeps at night knowing her 'evidence' was partly responsible for convicting a young innocent man to prison for life for the heinous crime of murdering his entire immediate adoptive family.

NaNu, I'm certain you understand that for certain personality types, histrionic is the one which comes to mind immediately, for whom only one person exists, THEM. Life for them is not about how they impact on others' lives but how others impact on theirs. So in this case it will be about if Jeremy had done what she wanted, whatever it may have been, and, I had no choice, I had to do it because I could have lost my career and it's not my fault if they found him guilty. This type of person is totally self oriented and the only person in their world who matters. They tell lies, they need drama, they become over familier, they are usually in debt, they create backgrounds for themselves which don't exist, they have grandiose ideas. I'm not saying thatn this particular type IS Julie, but it's very hot and I'm waffling.

[Caroline R]

What argument are you imagining that to be, Steve. I was merely enquiring how a penniless man would make his way to Winnipeg, thats presuming that he would wish to, when there might well be the more pressing needs of food and shelter. Frankly I see no reason for him ever to wish setting eyes on Julie again.

I shouldn't think that's a face he would ever want to look into again!!

[Jane]

I shouldn't think that's a face he would ever want to look into again!!

Probably it's one that the poor sod sees in his nightmares.