Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF

[mertol22]

I think he had said all he wanted to say, yes he does go elsewhere in the book, so did many during the last world war packing churches in search of God while their street was getting bombed by the Luftwaffe.

[andrea]

Will you ever change your opinion  ?

On the book? No.

Though i have changed my opinion on Bamber as everyone knows. It wasnt a sudden overnight change of mind like some think it was!

[ajross]

I think he had said all he wanted to say, yes he does go elsewhere in the book, so did many during the last world war packing churches in search of God while their street was getting bombed by the Luftwaffe.

I think it is a very good book for suggesting coping mechanisms for those that have suffered severe trauma or loss. It is also very sad as it brings home the loss of the two young lives more than anything else I have read. I personally do not believe in anything which is why it was difficult to read some parts. There is a picture on the back of the book and he offers a 'professional' interpretation of this book but (for me) it sounded too much like a man listening to what others wanted him to believe and him believing it because he wanted and needed to. He reads so much into so as to give him some sense that his boys are happy. The most poignant and sad part of the entire book was nothing to do with the trial, or the spirtitual aspects, the defamation via the media but, towards the end, when he says something along the lines of

' I am a father, Nicholas and Daniel will always be my sons and I will always be there father.' That is not a direct quote.

[mertol22]

On the book? No.

Though i have changed my opinion on Bamber as everyone knows. It wasnt a sudden overnight change of mind like some think it was!

i believe the Z files formed Andrea s new view.

[ajross]

I will start the Lomax book tomorrow, Colin mentions another book and I will look into that. I did state on here that I had bought a VHS video on Amazon, it has never turned up and looks like it never will. And if anybody would like to know the exact quote i will find it tomorrow

[andrea]

It was before that, mertol. 

Well before that, infact. It was a gradual thing over a period of time.

[mertol22]

It was before that, mertol. 

Well before that, infact. It was a gradual thing over a period of time.

Well the Z thing did not help i guess !

[andrea]

It doesnt help Bamber, mertol. Been to any carboots lately? weather apalling though isnt it.

[ajross]

I enjoy them too. Have you seen the sculptures on Colin's website AJ? There's one of a father hugging two young sons and it's heartbreaking if you know the story. I'll dig you out a link if you need it, but it'll have to be tomorrow when I'm not on this damn phone.

I think that I have just seen the one that you mention and it looks just like the one I was talking about. Either the context of the sculpture changed over time or he abandoned the one he was doing, but, the one I was refering to is the one that I believe his 'spiritual master' was guiding him on. (I don't believe in any of that by the way!)

[mertol22]

It doesnt help Bamber, mertol. Been to any carboots lately? weather apalling though isnt it.

i could have gone to some boots andrea but while its fine here less than 12 miles away its been raining elsewhere, been going to a local one though, may be a bit brave this weekend.ive read claire powells book, thats raw sweeney todd all out against JB.

[mertol22]

I think that I have just seen the one that you mention and it looks just like the one I was talking about. Either the context of the sculpture changed over time or he abandoned the one he was doing, but, the one I was refering to is the one that I believe his 'spiritual master' was guiding him on. (I don't believe in any of that by the way!)

I dont believe what any MP says if it helps, but many do believe in higher wisdom, workshops up and down the country and worldwide.

[Bridget]

I think that I have just seen the one that you mention and it looks just like the one I was talking about. Either the context of the sculpture changed over time or he abandoned the one he was doing, but, the one I was refering to is the one that I believe his 'spiritual master' was guiding him on. (I don't believe in any of that by the way!)

It's called 'Patradonna' and it says: This piece represents the often uncelebrated tenderness of fathers.

[ajross]

It's called 'Patradonna' and it says: This piece represents the often uncelebrated tenderness of fathers.

Ye s that's what I saw of the web page and it is the same as in his book. I shall go back to the book later today and try and find the part he discusses the sculpture of sc and the boys, I may have just assumed this was it

[Patti]

I am neither guilty or innocent in all honesty, I am probably no clearer to making up my mind now than I ever have been.

However...as a reader of Colin's book and reviewing/assessing it with that and nothing else in mind, I am sure that JB is guilty, does that make sense?

I read Wilkes' book, that made me believe JB was guilty, it threw up some ideas that made me think he was innocent, then it reverted me back to not knowing.

Next I will read Lomax and see what that has to offer, I guess what I am trying to suggest/do is read each book on it's own merit and see how each book would influence 'the reader' in the hope of getting an honest assessment.

Colin's book was like an uncomfortable and tragic voyeurism into the broken heart and an attempt to repair it as opposed to an analysis of the murders and consequent trial.

Hi AJ

I think you will find Lomax's book a little out of date, but it is a worth while read. He tells it how it is and examines the evidence in each of his chapters. He begs good arguments from both sides, but is inclined to go with facts rather than chat about hearsay and who and what, if you know what I mean. 

I wish Scott would update the book...for there is a lot more that could be added...

I hope you get a signed copy like I did...

[Patti]

Ye s that's what I saw of the web page and it is the same as in his book. I shall go back to the book later today and try and find the part he discusses the sculpture of sc and the boys, I may have just assumed this was it

It has been a while since I read CC's book, but if memory serves right, he did not care if the fingers of the sculpture were not right, he felt the need to bring out his feelings...and this he did...it; is not a perfect sculpture by all means, but it reflects his own personal feelings...