Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF

[mertol22]

It was the following afternoon of the party. Colin had asked Sheila to come and asked her to invite Jeremy and Julie, which she did. Jeremy took her home that night, for she got tired. So it must have been the Sunday...

So there is a missing time lapse which has never been explained

[Patti]

So there is a missing time lapse which has never been explained

I don't know what you mean mertol....Just had a dance with the hoover lolol 

[mertol22]

I don't know what you mean mertol....Just had a dance with the hoover lolol 

Did ya now, well what i mean is if its true and on the drive up from London sheila was mainly quiet looking out the window,and here is columbo moment coming you think better looking at something , looking ahead is boring, so im prepared to offer nothing lasting was happening at this point.

[Roch]

Hi Lebaleb. In my opinion, this is another weakness for the CPS because...why would JB say his sister just sat there, then a few hours later try an pin the murders on her? If he was going to make her look like a killer he would have said something completely different...like she was going crazy with my mum and dad...but he said the opposite....

Great point.   

And for the 2756th time... WHY does he blame the raid team?

[mertol22]

Because they botched the operation they decided to wait it out , the priority surely must have been everyone inside including sheila, and even more so the twins .

[Roch]

Because they botched the operation they decided to wait it out , the priority surely must have been everyone inside including sheila, and even more so the twins .

I've got a different slant on it.

[Bridget]

My dear B....You can't keep using the appeal document that is 10 years old. Time has moved on since then...New evidence and new experts have been set in place...It is just a matter of time...Are we having a wager? Tell, you what I will buy you lunch if you lose. I can't be no fairer than that....

We were talking about windows, there is no new evidence concerning the windows. Win or lose I'll take you up on that lunch!

[Bridget]

What evidence should there be, i.e. what evidence would you expect to see?

I'm not saying there should be any, simply that there isn't.

[ajross]

Colins book will contain the answer patti

Colin implied that there was a party the night before the murders that Sheila went to, he then drove them to WHF the next day and didn't want to leave them there, that night they were murdered. At least that was what I understood and I only read it a few days ago,I did question this to myself when i read it however as one of the problems with the book is that the chronology of events isn't very clear. Please correct me or I can look again in a day or two. No updates from me today, I read a little in the Drs surgery this morning but have been suffering a bit from the whiplash caused by the idiot driving into the side of my car yesterday! Patti - this has put the shelves on hold but thanks for asking. 

[Roch]

I'm not saying there should be any, simply that there isn't.

You've completely ducked the question    What evidence would you expect to see, if she had experienced a severe psychotic episode?

There was enough evidence for a review by a senior detective reporting to the top bloke in EP as late as 6th Sept.  Please don't tell me that the reviewing officer did so because Bamber said his sister had gone mad with a gun. 

[Bridget]

You've completely ducked the question    What evidence would you expect to see, if she had experienced a severe psychotic episode?

There was enough evidence for a review by a senior detective reporting to the top bloke in EP as late as 6th Sept.  Please don't tell me that the reviewing officer did so because Bamber said his sister had gone mad with a gun.

I really don't know what you want me to say, I wouldn't necessarily expect to see any evidence at all of an episode, unless someone still alive witnessed it. No one did.

I'm not sure what the review has to do with it either - it was a review of the case in general, not of whether or not Sheila had an episode.

[Jane]

A hyperthetical thought has just struck me and because I don't know where to post it, I guess here is as good a place as any.

Pre 1960something there was a death sentence, which undoubtedly Jeremy would have received. This would not have stopped people fighting to clear his name, as some of us now are. This being accomplished, I imagine it would give Jeremy a choice about reclaiming his lost assets, which, if he is said to be innocent, must be seen as being having been illegally gained.

Upon the granting of a Queen's Pardon, what would happen to those assets? Surely a QP wouldn't be worth the paper it was written on if there were those still allowed to profit from the proceeds gained from the imprisonment and execution, possibly with their help, of an innocent man?

[susan]

Hi Caroline  welcome to a wonderful forum.

[Bridget]

A hyperthetical thought has just struck me and because I don't know where to post it, I guess here is as good a place as any.

Pre 1960something there was a death sentence, which undoubtedly Jeremy would have received. This would not have stopped people fighting to clear his name, as some of us now are. This being accomplished, I imagine it would give Jeremy a choice about reclaiming his lost assets, which, if he is said to be innocent, must be seen as being having been illegally gained.

Upon the granting of a Queen's Pardon, what would happen to those assets? Surely a QP wouldn't be worth the paper it was written on if there were those still allowed to profit from the proceeds gained from the imprisonment and execution, possibly with their help, of an innocent man?

Do you mean what would happen to the assets if Jeremy were found to be innocent after having been hanged? I imagine nothing unless those in possession of them were found to have commited some crime in relation to obtaining them.

[Jane]

Do you mean what would happen to the assets if Jeremy were found to be innocent after having been hanged? I imagine nothing unless those in possession of them were found to have commited some crime in relation to obtaining them.

Thank-you, Bridget.