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Sheila located upstairs, in main bedroom, at around 8:30am - 8:41am

When senior officers entered whf at just after 8:10am, members of the raid team, had started to make their way downstairs, and Sheila avoided them all by using the small staircase in the corner of the kitchen, where she temporarily concealed herself, before exiting through the door on the upstairs landing, and slipping into the main bedroom, unseen and unnoticed...

By the time Sheila got into the main bedroom, she took possession of the Bamber rifle, which was leaning up against the bedroom window, where WPC Julia Jeapes had seen it earlier at around, and from 7:15am...

As members of the raid team came back upstairs to look for her, she took possession of the Bamber rifle (minus the silencer) and shot herself under the chin, and she fell back onto the bed, which coincided with at least one police officer, witnessing Sheila take her own life in the bedroom. This police officer raced into the bedroom after Sheila shot herself under the chin, and hurriedly removed her body from the bed, and placed it on the bedroom floor, in the recovery position, resting her so that she was laid their on her right hand side,  in order to give Sheila the best possible chance of survival, whilst at the same  time, this police officer frantically yelled for others inside the farmhouse to come to his assistance.  At this time, expiated blood contaminated Sheila's nightdress, and blood from the wound under her chin, pooled into the fold of her right arm, which was resting partially beneath her body, creating the distinctive triangular bloodstain on the upper right hand side of her nightdress, and a corresponding bloodstain upon the bedroom carpet (that the police would later try to conceal by placing a bible on top of it)...

Evidence that Sheila had only been shot once in the bedroom, was establish-able by reference to a very large circular bloodstain, on the bedroom carpet, which got there at the time the Bamber rifle was positioned under Sheila's chin, and the trigger had been pulled, sending her blood downwards onto the carpet, and tailing off in the direction of the bed, upon to which she fell in the last dying moments of her life - the police would later destroy this bloodstained bedroom carpet by burning it on a bonfire in the grounds of whf, ensuring that no-one would be able to reconstruct what had taken place by reference to it. Photographs taken at the scene which showed these significant bloodstains which originated from Sheila, were removed and concealed from Jeremy, his legal team, and the court which tried him for these murders, like so many other things which were done to help conceal the truth about what had taken place inside whf after the raid team entered it at just after 7:30am, that morning, and in particular, between 8:10am and 8:41am...

For several minutes, police officers tried unsuccessfully to save Sheila's life, and eventually when all hope of survival was lost, the police rolled her body over into the supine position - which coincided with the plug of clotted blood which had sealed the original wound to the right side of her throat, becoming detached, which caused blood to start running from it, so that blood was at this stage running from both wounds...

By the time the police surgeon, Dr Craig, arrived upon the scene, with Pi Miller, at 8:41am, Sheila's body was still resting in the recovery position upon its right hand side, exposing only one wound under the chin, to their respective views...


Mike, you posted this in 2010? Knowing you had a photograph clearly showing this not to be the case.

WHY?

The truth?
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Re: Why did you post this Mike, knowing it not to be true?
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2012, 03:48:PM »
vidvic  I have just read my post and as usual came acoss so wrong what I meant to say that part of the post should never have been posted in the first place by Mike and if that did happen the people involved should be ashamed of themselves.

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Re: Why did you post this Mike, knowing it not to be true?
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2012, 04:08:PM »
I think sometimes, Mike post his theories to see what debate they create. Makes sense and isn't always intended to mislead........or that he is working off the eveidence he has at the time.

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Re: Why did you post this Mike, knowing it not to be true?
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2012, 05:18:PM »
Mikes post is obviously a theory and quite frankly that is how it reads to me. Strangely though it does seem to be a reasonable narrative to me as I am a pro bamber supporter.
There is just one problem which I cannot work out? One piece of the jigsaw that I cannot make fit?
Why would the police feel it necessary to cover all this up? Unless for some reason unknown to us they wanted to get Jeremy convicted for a crime he did not commit? So, why would they cover it up is my question?

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Re: Why did you post this Mike, knowing it not to be true?
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2012, 05:25:PM »
Mikes post is obviously a theory and quite frankly that is how it reads to me. Strangely though it does seem to be a reasonable narrative to me as I am a pro bamber supporter.
There is just one problem which I cannot work out? One piece of the jigsaw that I cannot make fit?
Why would the police feel it necessary to cover all this up? Unless for some reason unknown to us they wanted to get Jeremy convicted for a crime he did not commit? So, why would they cover it up is my question?
my last post till late tonight, grahame a cover up can seal up anything , if jeremy was found  not guilty the PII would still be in place , re the Taff Jones thread i part answered there.

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Re: Why did you post this Mike, knowing it not to be true?
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2012, 05:34:PM »
Mikes post is obviously a theory and quite frankly that is how it reads to me. Strangely though it does seem to be a reasonable narrative to me as I am a pro bamber supporter.
There is just one problem which I cannot work out? One piece of the jigsaw that I cannot make fit?
Why would the police feel it necessary to cover all this up? Unless for some reason unknown to us they wanted to get Jeremy convicted for a crime he did not commit? So, why would they cover it up is my question?

Hi Grahame

I don't think there was a cover at the time, just bad policing. The police at the time had never faced such a serious crime and in all fairness, they did not know what to do, but that didn't help Jeremy. From what I have read the police were quite happy to sit back and believe all they were told, without a through investigation.....I mean how can you investigate 6 weeks later after a crime scene had been destroyed....in theory, you can't...

I honestly believe that since the verdict there has been a massive cover up of evidence, if it is true that stuff were destroyed and documents were held back.

I can understand certain documents that surround the twins be placed under section 4...for 30 years and rightly so......

Does anyone know what these documents are that are placed under the PII?  ;) :) :)

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Re: Why did you post this Mike, knowing it not to be true?
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2012, 05:40:PM »
There's an old saying I often like to recite which gives an insight to the allegation - "There may be many variations of the truth, each capable of belief and being true"...

I reserve the right to post a thread based on or around someone else's version of the truth. If it is to be alleged that I lie when basing any post I choose to make on my own forum which is based on the varying truths of others, if I lie then these other witnesses lie...

I reserve the right to talk about any feature, and use anything any witness has to say, or refer to any documentation, or photograph at my choosing...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: Why did you post this Mike, knowing it not to be true?
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2012, 06:08:PM »
I think you're missing the point. You posted this having had a photo which directly counters this story, yet strangely you don't mention this.
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Re: Why did you post this Mike, knowing it not to be true?
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2012, 06:34:PM »
I think you're missing the point. You posted this having had a photo which directly counters this story, yet strangely you don't mention this.
Yes it does doesn't it. Unless they took a picture before they hauled her onto the floor? Nah.

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Re: Why did you post this Mike, knowing it not to be true?
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2012, 06:36:PM »
There's an old saying I often like to recite which gives an insight to the allegation - "There may be many variations of the truth, each capable of belief and being true"...

I reserve the right to post a thread based on or around someone else's version of the truth. If it is to be alleged that I lie when basing any post I choose to make on my own forum which is based on the varying truths of others, if I lie then these other witnesses lie...

I reserve the right to talk about any feature, and use anything any witness has to say, or refer to any documentation, or photograph at my choosing...
What complete bollocks
Does this mean I can now theorise the events of that night,throw a few facts in,a few myths,maybe a bit of magic and I should expect you to believe it?.....
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Re: Why did you post this Mike, knowing it not to be true?
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2012, 06:50:PM »
So, you all now know how the jury must have felt being drip fed selected material and being delibefately misled about the circumstances surrounding how Sheila eventually died in the bedroom. The circumstances if how
 the second shot killed Sheila is what the cover up is all about..




"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: Why did you post this Mike, knowing it not to be true?
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2012, 07:35:PM »
So, you all now know how the jury must have felt being drip fed selected material and being delibefately misled about the circumstances surrounding how Sheila eventually died in the bedroom. The circumstances if how
 the second shot killed Sheila is what the cover up is all about..
The fact that Sheila was in the main bedroom at all is an interesting question in and of itself. Hoe did she get to be in there and not in her own room and why does her bed look as if it had not been slept in? We are talking about 3 in the morning here.

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Re: Why did you post this Mike, knowing it not to be true?
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2012, 07:39:PM »
The fact that Sheila was in the main bedroom at all is an interesting question in and of itself. Hoe did she get to be in there and not in her own room and why does her bed look as if it had not been slept in? We are talking about 3 in the morning here.
If we knew those answers Grahame we would probably have solved the case.  It's just a mass of contradictions.

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Re: Why did you post this Mike, knowing it not to be true?
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2012, 07:49:PM »
So, you all now know how the jury must have felt being drip fed selected material and being delibefately misled about the circumstances surrounding how Sheila eventually died in the bedroom. The circumstances if how
 the second shot killed Sheila is what the cover up is all about..
incorrect
if they'd of felt that they would of aquitted
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Re: Why did you post this Mike, knowing it not to be true?
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2012, 05:57:AM »
Of course, if the police withhold over 340,000 documents from the defence, so that they do not have access to it, and therefore they cannot rely upon it, or bring its content to the attention of the jury, and the police falsify the photographic records to suggest there was only 223 photographs taken instead of 581, it is bound by anybodies stretch of imagination to effect the possible outcome of the juries verdict. The jury were duped into convicting Bamber of these murders by a reliance on false, and circumstantial evidence. Anybody who says that any or all of this withheld material would not have made the slightest difference to the verdict of the jury needs to urgently go see their doctor and ask or be prescribed some appropriate medication...

Of course this withheld information would have made a difference, and does make a difference...

The jury reached its verdict based on what was put before it for it to consider, which this case was not the whole truth...
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