Distinguishing marks (condition of Hypostasis) left on body by items, articles

[Patti]

I am afraid it does get produced on the upper parts of the body, here look at the thighs of June Bamber in one of PC Birds crime scene photographs, now you tell me how hypostasis was produced on the upper part of her leg above the knee, if what you are saying has any truth to it?

Blinkin heck! If you stand both J and S to their feet they would be in arms length of each other. Sorry to have to say this, but the shot to J's head must have been close and not whilst she was sat or in the position she is in now....there is no spatter coming from the front of her head...

If you look closely at j's nightdress there is spatter......I'm so confused...over this...

[ngb1066]

Does anyone know how heavy this gun was? I'd say about 8lbs max 

Probably about 5lbs.

[NewChilledOutHartley]

Probably about 5lbs.

If this is the same model, barrel etc, then it says 8lb 4oz here:
http://www.ukgunroom.com/viewGun.jsp?id=67525

[ngb1066]

If this is the same model, barrel etc, then it says 8lb 4oz here:
http://www.ukgunroom.com/viewGun.jsp?id=67525

It includes a scope which was not fitted to the Bamber rifle, nor was the end cap.  However I accept that these would not weigh 3lb 4oz so my estimate must be low.  It does surprise me as that seems heavy for a .22 rifle but if the barrel length is the same Patti's original estimate of 7lbs is probably correct.



 

[NewChilledOutHartley]

It includes a scope which was not fitted to the Bamber rifle, nor was the end cap.  However I accept that these would not weigh 3lb 4oz so my estimate must be low.  It does surprise me as that seems heavy for a .22 rifle but if the barrel length is the same Patti's original estimate of 7lbs is probably correct.

I have to say I have no idea, it did seem quite light in the recent documentary though.

[ngb1066]

I have to say I have no idea, it did seem quite light in the recent documentary though.

I will see if I can find another example of the same rifle to see whether the weight given in your link may be wrong.  An average double barrelled 12 bore shotgun weighs 7lbs, with some weighing as little as 6lbs and they certainly feel a lot heavier than any of my .22 rifles.  I do own one Anshutz rifle but it is a different model and a different calibre.


 

[Patti]

The length you are talking about in that link does not tie in the length of JB's gun....which was 49 inches with the moderator fitted.

When you add the dimensions up Barrel Length: 24 in Stock Length: 14 in plus just over 6 inches for the moderator comes too 44 inches...that is going on the archives dimensions.  I think it was argued in court that it was 49 inches, therefore making it impossible for Sheila to have shot herself with silencer on....

[tonyb]

i think the Distinguishing marks (condition of Hypostasis) if it exists in the manner that Mike explains, still will not show any marks. the rifle is not heavy enough to create pressure on the body.
Pressure exerted Is Mass/Area if I remember correctly.
the footprint of the rifle is to large to create pressure of any significance.

[mike tesko]

After death occurs, the skin becomes very sensitive, and anything resting upon the body leaves physical marks which cortesponds where  an object such as a rifle had been in contact for seven hours or more. It would be impossible for such visible marks not to exist on the body...

[Bridget]

After death occurs, the skin becomes very sensitive, and anything resting upon the body leaves physical marks which cortesponds where  an object such as a rifle had been in contact for seven hours or more. It would be impossible for such visible marks not to exist on the body...

Would there be a name for this 'becoming very sensitiveness'?

[bloggs and son]

After death occurs, the skin becomes very sensitive, and anything resting upon the body leaves physical marks which cortesponds where  an object such as a rifle had been in contact for seven hours or more. It would be impossible for such visible marks not to exist on the body...

When I helped move the body of my father inlaw when he collapsed and died I noticed that the skin on his hands lost elastisity very soon. If that is what you mean by sensitive?

[tonyb]

After death occurs, the skin becomes very sensitive, and anything resting upon the body leaves physical marks which cortesponds where  an object such as a rifle had been in contact for seven hours or more. It would be impossible for such visible marks not to exist on the body...

wheres the nightdress marks?

[mike tesko]

Nightdress marks were / are not visible in photographs taken of Sheila on the bedroom floor because she had only ver recently died before the time the pictures were taken...

Autopsy images would show such evidence...

[mike tesko]

Nightdress marks were / are not visible in photographs taken of Sheila on the bedroom floor because she had only ver recently died before the time the pictures were taken...

Autopsy images would show such evidence...

Having said that, there is evidence that police at the scene altered the position of the nightdress on Sheila's body during the photographic stage, so the nightdress was never in the same position for any length of time upon her thighs / legs...

[tonyb]

Nightdress marks were / are not visible in photographs taken of Sheila on the bedroom floor because she had only ver recently died before the time the pictures were taken...

Autopsy images would show such evidence...

no mike.... on June the picture ,post #66 no marks there...