Police arrival at WHF what next ?

[sagar]

sagar  how would anybody know whether it was Crispy the dog barking  I suspect it would have been with all the mayhem.

You think it may have sheila then, Susan?

[Bridget]

Good morning all.
"No response " could simply mean that Sheila was taking no notice of requests asked of her. There'd have been so much noise going on at the time,that there's every possibilty on Sheila hearing the loud hailer,that it was that point that she did,and could have fired the fatal shot to herself without anyone hearing it going off. The timing would have been right in relation to her actual time of death.
There was no rigor mortis on Sheila's body that I've read about when the police entered. If there had have been,she'd have been dead for at least 2 hours prior. That wasn't the case.

Can you explain your RM point further? It can take 3 to 4 hours to start and then takes over gradually.

[bloggs and son]

So after barking did sheila take a nice relaxing shower then kill herself?

Are you on another planet or what? I said nothing about Sheila barking. There are signs that the shower had been used. But of course some of the guilty group are willing to accept that Jeremy had a shower to wash all the blood off. But for some reason cannot accept that Sheila had quite a long time to do so herself. The cops were hanging around for hourse before they broke in.

[vidvic]

Good morning all.
"No response " could simply mean that Sheila was taking no notice of requests asked of her. There'd have been so much noise going on at the time,that there's every possibilty on Sheila hearing the loud hailer,that it was that point that she did,and could have fired the fatal shot to herself without anyone hearing it going off. The timing would have been right in relation to her actual time of death.
There was no rigor mortis on Sheila's body that I've read about when the police entered. If there had have been,she'd have been dead for at least 2 hours prior. That wasn't the case.

To me, with respect, it's a case of making a story fit.

The police used loud hailers to try and get a response. The person reported that they spoke to was bamber. And they got no response.

After all these years with £1m on offer, I'm sure someone would have come forward by now.

[bloggs and son]

Maybe, they did, but maybe they did that because it was a more accurate description of what had happened (or not happened) than what had been written.

Police logs are the first point of contact and any notes written up after the event should reflect those notes. If they do not then those notes must not only reflect but be subordinate to the logs.

[vidvic]

Are you on another planet or what? I said nothing about Sheila barking. There are signs that the shower had been used. But of course some of the guilty group are willing to accept that Jeremy had a shower to wash all the blood off. But for some reason cannot accept that Sheila had quite a long time to do so herself. The cops were hanging around for hourse before they broke in.

You didn't Grahame, Mike did, in January.

[susan]

sagar  if you read my post again you will see I intimated it was Crispy the dog barking I don,t think for one moment it was Sheila but they are of course my thoughts only.

[JackiePreece]

Yes Vidvic, Hartley and Bridget as bazaar as Robert Boutflour 'FORGETTING'  Sheila had ever handled a gun.

I would have loved to see the spitting and sputtering in the witness box being caught out on that one

I bet that was every bit as hilarious as your posts above

Now who would try and mislead a jury on such an important point giving evidence and why

Oh we all know the answer to that don't we !!!

[bloggs and son]

And made herself something to eat....

We can only go by the facts of the post mortem. You may jest about such suggestions Vic. But the plain facts are she did eat something before she died and it was still in her stomach undigested. The stomach is usually empty within half an hour. And even if you suggest she was killed much earlier than say 7.30am then you must still say that she had strange middle of the night eating habits.

[JackiePreece]

I think it's about time we got a qualified body language expert to do an analysis on David Boutflour

That could be something interesting and something to have a good laugh over don't you think

[bloggs and son]

And wiped the gun clean.

Work it out Hartley if the gun had "one" police fingerprint on it then the obvious person to have cleaned the gun (and it was cleaned) would be a police officer.

[Bridget]

Yes Vidvic, Hartley and Bridget as bazaar as Robert Boutflour 'FORGETTING'  Sheila had ever handled a gun.

I would have loved to see the spitting and sputtering in the witness box being caught out on that one

I bet that was every bit as hilarious as your posts above

Now who would try and mislead a jury on such an important point giving evidence and why

Oh we all know the answer to that don't we !!!

To put that into context, he had forgotten that Sheila had come with them on a 3 day shoot some 9 or 10 years earlier. He maintained that he could not recall seeing her handle a gun on that trip, or on any other occasion.

[sagar]

Are you on another planet or what? I said nothing about Sheila barking. There are signs that the shower had been used. But of course some of the guilty group are willing to accept that Jeremy had a shower to wash all the blood off. But for some reason cannot accept that Sheila had quite a long time to do so herself. The cops were hanging around for hourse before they broke in.

excuse me Grahame but i wasnt aiming my post at you.

Im from planet earth, where are you from 

[Patti]

The bathroom had been used the light was on upstairs.  I would not have thought Nevill or June would have had time to use the bathroom?

RM sets in from 2 hours it also depends on age and heating conditions, for heat speeds up the RM as does physical exertion.

RM can also be instant, this is called cadaveric spasm which can result in violence before death and can cause the body to freeze.

[bloggs and son]

She must have changed her top too...  (no gun residue)

What I have pointed out are only the facts of what has been clearly documented. And there are clearly some things that do not add up. These things must be looked at and seriously thought about if we have any chance of arriving at what truly happened. That cannot be done of we make wild statements and jest about it. Unless you are only concerned with your own narrow beliefs and are not prepared to look at things in an enquiring way.