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NewChilledOutHartley

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Just goes to show how wrong you were, are...

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm happy for you to provide some sort of evidence to the contrary.

Although before you do, did you get a chance to have a look at the requests for Bewes, Saxbys, Myalls and Collins statements? As they were the first police officers to the scene and Collins was the first to see a victim before entering the house, then members of the forum would be absolutely fascinated to see them I am sure. It's strange that you haven't already posted them, given their pivotal roles in the case.

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Hello Mike, could you give a rough estimate of the numbers involved in this conspiracy?

Also what depts etc thanks

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According to you then, once Sheila was dead, once her heart stopped beating, and her  body ended up on its back, either on the kitchen floor, or the bed, or the bedtoom floor, you are saying or suggesting that her blood did not drain off to the lowest parts of her body? That is effectively what you are saying, and that is what you are asking members of the forum to believe. So, l think you are basically trying to suggest that for one reason or another, there could not be, or there was not any possibility of Sheila's skin being discoloured even though Sheila would have had to have been already detd for up to seven hours or more?

You are advocating that 'hypostasis' did not apply in the circumstances of her death?


You are trying to hoodwink members of this rforum into accepting that there might not be any physical evidence associated with discoloration of skin linked to the timing of Sheila's death...

No
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Hello Mike, could you give a rough estimate of the numbers involved in this conspiracy?

Also what depts etc thanks

Yes, give me some time to draft up a reply...
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Hello Mike, could you give a rough estimate of the numbers involved in this conspiracy?

Also what depts etc thanks

I think you might be getting your forums mixed up?

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No

hypostasis condition is a different feature than rigor mortis...
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your being very selective with your statements
for instance, what is the pressure exerted by the said rifle when laid on a hard surface?
it may be negligable. it will depend on weight & profile of the object in question
as you may know,a stilleto heel will cause more damage to a floor than an elephant.
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hypostasis condition is a different feature than rigor mortis...
didnt say it wasnt
can see the confusion though mike
the RM reply was to #120
sorry for the confusion
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I think you might be getting your forums mixed up?
anyway
this thread is a total waste of everyones effort
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I still haven't seen an explanation as to why there would be marks on the upper sides of her legs caused by a rifle laying on them.
....just cos I eat worms...

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Oh don't get me wrong, I'm happy for you to provide some sort of evidence to the contrary.

Although before you do, did you get a chance to have a look at the requests for Bewes, Saxbys, Myalls and Collins statements? As they were the first police officers to the scene and Collins was the first to see a victim before entering the house, then members of the forum would be absolutely fascinated to see them I am sure. It's strange that you haven't already posted them, given their pivotal roles in the case.
Did you find the wall / edge , which Bewes jumped behind ? As in the past you have said , what wall/edge , have you not ? As for posting statements , if you were to see one from Mercer , would it change your opinion , if he was to say his dog was trained to sniff gun residue etc ? And JB was free of it on the night in question , Or would you just say as you did with Jeapes statement , that she did not see what she claimed ? Do you read nothing into Jeapes statement being withheld for 20 years ? Could you give us all a possible explanation , why Jeapes statement was withheld along with the telephone logs , that JB had to go to court to obtain , now i appreciate you don't know for sure , as in your explanation for the logs , but can you give EP a get out again and tell us all a feasible reason ?

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anyway
this thread is a total waste of everyones effort

Why are you looking so hard for evidence the rifle wasnt on the body

ITS HERE !!!!

Quote from: tonyb on April 29, 2012, 06:19:PM

Mike,my brother works at intel in Seattle. he'll know someone in the uk that will assist you.




Towards the back end of 2003 and the beginning of 2004, the relationship between Jeremy and self was somewhat strained because I was in regular communication with Ewen Smith and Jeremy wanted to be in control of everything himself. This resulted in me copying every letter and document I sent to Jeremy by using a scanner and I saved everything on  the computer I was using at the time. I copied everything, I sent and received from Jeremy, it is all on the old drive in one of my old computers, I have removed them and they are in storage. I was led to believe that I could purchase some sort of a lead which I could them connect to my current computer via USB and access all the material. Does anyone know what lead I need to purchase, and how much it will cost?

mikes got photograpic proof, its here in black and white
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Why are you looking so hard for evidence the rifle wasnt on the body

ITS HERE !!!!

Quote from: tonyb on April 29, 2012, 06:19:PM

Mike,my brother works at intel in Seattle. he'll know someone in the uk that will assist you.




Towards the back end of 2003 and the beginning of 2004, the relationship between Jeremy and self was somewhat strained because I was in regular communication with Ewen Smith and Jeremy wanted to be in control of everything himself. This resulted in me copying every letter and document I sent to Jeremy by using a scanner and I saved everything on  the computer I was using at the time. I copied everything, I sent and received from Jeremy, it is all on the old drive in one of my old computers, I have removed them and they are in storage. I was led to believe that I could purchase some sort of a lead which I could them connect to my current computer via USB and access all the material. Does anyone know what lead I need to purchase, and how much it will cost?

mikes got photograpic proof, its here in black and white

the (very) elusive body on the bed picture.
proof beyond all doubt;
a, rifle on body
b, rifle not on body
c, mikes been economical with facts...

straw poll anyone?
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NewChilledOutHartley

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Did you find the wall / edge , which Bewes jumped behind ? As in the past you have said , what wall/edge , have you not ?
I didn't realise I was supposed to be looking, you seem to have an amazing memory for what I have said.  ??? Good that you are paying attention.  :P

I never did quite get to the bottom of whether they ducked behind a wall or hedge, I believe it was a hedge located approximately 40 yards to the South of WHF forming the boundary between the formal gardens and the fields. If we could see their statements then that may be a question that could be answered.

As for posting statements , if you were to see one from Mercer , would it change your opinion , if he was to say his dog was trained to sniff gun residue etc ? And JB was free of it on the night in question ,

I'd love to see Mercers statements if he made one, although I strongly suspect that he did not.

As far as commenting of it's possible contents, then I'm at a bit of a loss to understand what you want me to say. To be honest it sounds like one of your antagonistic questions where any answer I give you simply supplements and fuels further antagonistic leading questions, not immediately, but probably in twelve months time, just like your wall/hedge reference above.  ???

Or would you just say as you did with Jeapes statement , that she did not see what she claimed ? Do you read nothing into Jeapes statement being withheld for 20 years ? Could you give us all a possible explanation , why Jeapes statement was withheld
Well I don't believe that is what I have previously said, but given your amazing recollection of my contributions then it certainly sounds possible.
Basically, Jeapes statement is a complete mess, the colour coding is wrong, we can't be sure what area of the house she is looking at and she says that she saw what 'might' be a rifle in the window. The exact same meaning could be inferred if she said she saw something which 'might not' be a rifle, basically she is unsure. There are no other accounts to back her up and so it's put down as an anomaly, if it was sufficient evidence for the defence to rely upon, then I'm sure that they would have done so.
As for why it was withheld, well I haven't seen any evidence that it was, but if it was, then I do not know, it's probably more the case that it wasn't used, rather than being deliberately withheld. But I am guessing.


along with the telephone logs , that JB had to go to court to obtain , now i appreciate you don't know for sure , as in your explanation for the logs , but can you give EP a get out again and tell us all a feasible reason ?

Again, and as you quite rightly indicate, no I do not know. But if they were withheld, then as much as you are surprised by that, then I am surprised that the original defence team didn't question their absence during the original trial.


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Hi Hartley

Do you agree that Jeapes statement should have been known to the defence? and, do you agree that she should have been examined and cross examined in court? Two for the price of one there :)

For if she states clearly she saw a gun at the window, then why on entering the building was there not a gun found in the window....This is a argument that could have been held in court....? :)