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Re: Due to meet informant in Glasgow tomorrow
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2012, 04:16:PM »
Patti I have been working in my garden on and off this afternoon and suddenly I would start roaring with laughter (good thing I have no near neighbours) at the post Bob sent it is so funny I think I will laugh about it for months to come he must have a great sense of humour bet he comes from Yorkshire!!!

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« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2012, 04:25:PM »
Patti I have been working in my garden on and off this afternoon and suddenly I would start roaring with laughter (good thing I have no near neighbours) at the post Bob sent it is so funny I think I will laugh about it for months to come he must have a great sense of humour bet he comes from Yorkshire!!!

I perceive bob as bob milleresque in appearance but in a lab coat.  cockney accent.  It's all in my head mind.  He could be entirely different from that.

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Re: Due to meet informant in Glasgow tomorrow
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2012, 04:30:PM »
Hi Patti  If the whole of the forum members met in a big room I bet their would be some big shocks!!!

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« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2012, 04:33:PM »
Hi Patti  If the whole of the forum members met in a big room I bet their would be some big shocks!!!

Are you condemning us all to the electric chair?  ???


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Re: Due to meet informant in Glasgow tomorrow
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2012, 04:38:PM »
NewChilledOutHartley   I don,t think is would be that bad but I bet we would have alot to discuss on the forum afterwards.

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« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2012, 04:41:PM »
NewChilledOutHartley   I don,t think is would be that bad but I bet we would have alot to discuss on the forum afterwards.

Yes, you are probably right.  ;)

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Re: Due to meet informant in Glasgow tomorrow
« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2012, 05:10:PM »
I perceive bob as bob milleresque in appearance but in a lab coat.  cockney accent.  It's all in my head mind.  He could be entirely different from that.
Cockney accent Roch?

I be from zummerzet young'un!

I only come up big London to deliver some 'ay bales for the Horse o'the Year Show, an I been lost ever since  :-\

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Re: Due to meet informant in Glasgow tomorrow
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2012, 06:09:PM »
Welcome back Mike, I see you're logged in  - how did today go?

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Re: Due to meet informant in Glasgow tomorrow
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2012, 10:15:PM »
Cockney accent Roch?

I be from zummerzet young'un!

I only come up big London to deliver some 'ay bales for the Horse o'the Year Show, an I been lost ever since  :-\

bob... you mean like this?

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Re: Due to meet informant in Glasgow tomorrow
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2012, 10:27:PM »
bob... you mean like this?
Oooh Arrrr........!

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Re: Due to meet informant in Glasgow tomorrow
« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2012, 06:31:AM »
Welcome back Mike, I see you're logged in  - how did today go?

it went well...

Informant pointed out the significance of the two photographs taken at the scene by DS 'Stan'  Jones, the one he took in the downstairs toilet, and the other in the kitchen? He told me that it is not just a coincidence that these photographs were taken,  and that any reference is not made to them in PC Birds photographic schedules, namely, (a) master copy album, and (b) court albums? He tells me that DS Jones deliberately returned to the scene at around 11 o' clock from Jeremy's cottage, as a result of being told by DC Clarke that Sheila's body had been found on the bed in the main bedroom...
« Last Edit: May 16, 2012, 05:12:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Due to meet informant in Glasgow tomorrow
« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2012, 12:32:PM »
Thanks Mike. What did you think of the information? And, what are your plans to take matters forward?

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« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2012, 06:11:PM »
it went well...

Informant pointed out the significance of the two photographs taken at the scene by DS 'Stan'  Jones, the one he took in the downstairs toilet, and the other in the kitchen? He told me that it is not just a coincidence that these photographs were taken,  and that any reference is not made to them in PC Birds photographic schedules, namely, (a) master copy album, and (b) court albums? He tells me that DS Jones deliberately returned to the scene at around 11 o' clock from Jeremy's cottage, as a result of being told by DC Clarke that Sheila's body had been found on the bed in the main bedroom...

He said that actually DS Jones overheard DC Clarke telling Ann Eaton, that the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila had been found on the bed, and that afterwards when Jones spoke to Clarke about this, Clarke told him that the two bodies were on the bed when he accompanied DCI "Taff" Jones around the house. It was DC Clarke who told Ann Eaton and the other relatives that all the victims had been shot just the once, at which the relatives expressed surprise, saying that they did not believe that Sheila could have been so accurate with a gun considering that non of them knew she had ever handled a gun at all? Informant told me that this was what caused DS Jones to rush off back to the scene at about 11am - he went there to see everything for himself, but all was not as described by DC Clarke, since upon arrival back at the scene DS Jones discovered that June's body had been moved from the bed to its final resting place against the bedroom door, and Sheila was laid out on the bedroom floor parallel with the left hand edge of the bed (as viewed from the vantage point of the observer being stood at the foot of the bed), with a rifle atop her body. DS Jones noticed two wounds on Sheila's neck at this stage, and queried what DC Clarke had recounted to Ann Eaton and himself back at Jeremy's cottage about her only having the one wound? At that stage DS Jones was not overly concerned with the fact that the bodies of June and Sheila had been moved from the bed to the floor in different areas of the bedroom, because SOC and other officers were milling around checking the bed for bullet cases, and anything else of evidential interest. Jones must have thought by that stage that photographs had already been taken with the two bodies in situ on the bed, which was in fact correct, and so when Jones saw PC Bird taking additional photographs he just thought these were being taken for continuity purposes, not because the police were deliberately stage managing the scene. It was at this point that Jones overheard one of the officers inside the premises express concern about the possible use of a second weapon in the shootings, which caused Jones to go downstairs to the downstairs toilet where he took a photograph there, showing all the guns and accessories in storage there. According to my informant Jones photographed the other rifle belonging to Anthony Pargeter in the toilet, he took possession of it, but the rifle was later handed back to Pargeter. Police also seized a .22 air rifle from the vicinity of the kitchen which was taken away to be fingerprinted as it was suspected that it had been used in the initial shooting of Sheila downstairs. Police also later handed the .22 air rifle back to the relatives in time for them to hand it back over to Jeremy on 12th August 1985...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: Due to meet informant in Glasgow tomorrow
« Reply #43 on: May 16, 2012, 06:52:PM »
So your photo,the one your withholding of SC on the bed, is pivitol Mike.
What on earth has JB done to incur your wrath......?
Don't enjoy the cold weather.

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Re: Due to meet informant in Glasgow tomorrow
« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2012, 07:48:PM »
He said that actually DS Jones overheard DC Clarke telling Ann Eaton, that the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila had been found on the bed, and that afterwards when Jones spoke to Clarke about this, Clarke told him that the two bodies were on the bed when he accompanied DCI "Taff" Jones around the house. It was DC Clarke who told Ann Eaton and the other relatives that all the victims had been shot just the once, at which the relatives expressed surprise, saying that they did not believe that Sheila could have been so accurate with a gun considering that non of them knew she had ever handled a gun at all? Informant told me that this was what caused DS Jones to rush off back to the scene at about 11am - he went there to see everything for himself, but all was not as described by DC Clarke, since upon arrival back at the scene DS Jones discovered that June's body had been moved from the bed to its final resting place against the bedroom door, and Sheila was laid out on the bedroom floor parallel with the left hand edge of the bed (as viewed from the vantage point of the observer being stood at the foot of the bed), with a rifle atop her body. DS Jones noticed two wounds on Sheila's neck at this stage, and queried what DC Clarke had recounted to Ann Eaton and himself back at Jeremy's cottage about her only having the one wound? At that stage DS Jones was not overly concerned with the fact that the bodies of June and Sheila had been moved from the bed to the floor in different areas of the bedroom, because SOC and other officers were milling around checking the bed for bullet cases, and anything else of evidential interest. Jones must have thought by that stage that photographs had already been taken with the two bodies in situ on the bed, which was in fact correct, and so when Jones saw PC Bird taking additional photographs he just thought these were being taken for continuity purposes, not because the police were deliberately stage managing the scene. It was at this point that Jones overheard one of the officers inside the premises express concern about the possible use of a second weapon in the shootings, which caused Jones to go downstairs to the downstairs toilet where he took a photograph there, showing all the guns and accessories in storage there. According to my informant Jones photographed the other rifle belonging to Anthony Pargeter in the toilet, he took possession of it, but the rifle was later handed back to Pargeter. Police also seized a .22 air rifle from the vicinity of the kitchen which was taken away to be fingerprinted as it was suspected that it had been used in the initial shooting of Sheila downstairs. Police also later handed the .22 air rifle back to the relatives in time for them to hand it back over to Jeremy on 12th August 1985...

Use this schedule for reference purposes when dealing with what is to follow in the coming days:-


Time table schedule

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« Last Edit: May 16, 2012, 07:53:PM by mike tesko »
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...