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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #885 on: May 29, 2012, 07:42:PM »
Hi Patti, I'd happily believe that Ralph was forced to make the call to Jeremy (since it was cut off) but I can't reconcile that with the purported evidence that Ralph also called the police directly, giving a coherent account. I can't see him being forced to make two calls. Additionally, I can't see a third party taking such a risk, since they would not have known the whereabouts of any mobile units - for example a car may have only been 5 minutes away.

What do you think of the evidence that Ralph called the police directly? Do you think he did?

Hi Elphick

I have thought about the phone call from Nevill to the police...I am not sure that he did, I#m not sure if he didn't. 

PC West that took that call, then passed all the information to HQ or where ever. So he made another log out in his collar number....and passed the info on....saying call from Mr Bamber... (meaning Jeremy).... who lives at WHT daughter of Nevill Bamber has gone beserk with a gun...she is 27 as oppose to being 26....It's all so confusing....

What doesn't help is the conflicting stories and false information I have been reading....you sort of get drawn into it and, before you know it, the murder was done by a local man in his 30's, who worked on the farm.....hahaha

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« Reply #886 on: May 29, 2012, 09:52:PM »
Hi Elphick

I have thought about the phone call from Nevill to the police...I am not sure that he did, I#m not sure if he didn't. 

PC West that took that call, then passed all the information to HQ or where ever. So he made another log out in his collar number....and passed the info on....saying call from Mr Bamber... (meaning Jeremy).... who lives at WHT daughter of Nevill Bamber has gone beserk with a gun...she is 27 as oppose to being 26....It's all so confusing....

What doesn't help is the conflicting stories and false information I have been reading....you sort of get drawn into it and, before you know it, the murder was done by a local man in his 30's, who worked on the farm.....hahaha
In most crimes patti the one single part which generates the most questions are the times of events.

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #887 on: May 29, 2012, 10:09:PM »
Hi Patti.  I've noticed you have some difficulty accepting that Sheila cld have carried out the murders given what you consider to be her "cleanness".  If this is so why did the coroner not pick up on this?  He must have been happy with the original murder/suicide verdict and at this stage there was no thought of Sheila showering and/or changing her clothes.

The other day you mentioned the close range shot to June between the eyes and that had Sheila have been the killer she wld have had blood staining on her clothes.  But as I understand it, given the weapons and ammunition used, Sheila would not necessarily have incurred blood staining from the victims'  wounds?

I don't know Pattie.  I'm asking the ? to improve my understanding.

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Hi egap, I don't know why the pathologist did not pick on it, I thought he said he could not determine whether it was suicide or murder.  Nor, could he prove she had been in the shower. I can't prove she had and nor can anyone else. It is an assumption, it could be likely.

The other day, when I was talking about the position of Sheila and June and if you stood them both up, from their laying positions, they would both be facing one another, which would make it possible for Sheila to have made the shot between June's eyes, for the spatter goes in that direction too....There is no spatter from June's where she is laid near the door, so therefore it is possible, that she was standing near the bottom of the bed, when she received the shot.

Yes, Sheila would have received back spatter from her victims, especially from the shots to the head. It is known that all shots were at close range.  You can see the spatter all over the bedroom floor, your not telling me the spatter went around the person who made the shot, but still managed to land on the floor....for that is not possible. 

I know I sound conflicting egap, but that is because nothing can be proved and there is lack of evidence and forensics.....

All the finger pointing towards Sheila for the past 27 years....makes me wonder, that Jeremy has been fooled....and, he strongly believes his sister had done the murders because he gets a phone call at circa:15 in a morning from his father...She= Sheila has a gun, come over..or something to those words...then live goes dead...he tries to ring back the line is engaged.  From that ponit a few seconds of his fathers voice he deduced it was his sister who had the gun.....

But, when you look at the crime scene, it does not add up...It looks like June is more the likely one to have had the gun, than her daughter.  Why was Sheila at that side of the bed? Why didn't Sheila have blood on her feet after the shower, she had walked through the bedroom that has blood all over the floor...but the  pathologist said they were clean...

Sheila certainly had the mental illness, no doubt about that. She was a troubled soul. I also think she would be capable of using a gun, but could she be that vicious? I don't know...... If the police had done their job in the first place, we wouldn't be debating on it all now and maybe Jeremy would be working hard on the small holding he wanted to buy in Devon..... :) :)


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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #888 on: May 30, 2012, 07:39:AM »
I would be happy just to see the picture why can everybody see it but me?
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« Reply #889 on: May 30, 2012, 08:21:AM »
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« Reply #890 on: May 30, 2012, 08:23:AM »
Hi back again the symbol is opposite where it says Recent Posts it is a white triangle shaped thing is this the one you meant ;)

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #891 on: May 30, 2012, 08:41:AM »















All the finger pointing towards Sheila for the past 27 years....makes me wonder, that Jeremy has been fooled....and, he strongly believes his sister had done the murders because he gets a phone call at circa:15 in a morning from his father...She= Sheila has a gun, come over..or something to those words...then live goes dead...he tries to ring back the line is engaged.  From that ponit a few seconds of his fathers voice he deduced it was his sister who had the gun.....

But, when you look at the crime scene, it does not add up...It looks like June is more the likely one to have had the gun, than her daughter.  Why was Sheila at that side of the bed? Why didn't Sheila have blood on her feet after the shower, she had walked through the bedroom that has blood all over the floor...but the  pathologist said they were clean...

Sheila certainly had the mental illness, no doubt about that. She was a troubled soul. I also think she would be capable of using a gun, but could she be that vicious? I don't know...... If the police had done their job in the first place, we wouldn't be debating on it all now and maybe Jeremy would be working hard on the small holding he wanted to buy in Devon..... :) :)

Patti, I concur with all you say here, which leads me to my next question. When Neville phoned Jeremy did he say ".....your sister", "Sheila", "She"(maybe a family diminuative for Sheila) OR did he perhaps, say "she", which may have meant June, and he couldn't bring himself to say it?

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« Reply #892 on: May 30, 2012, 09:10:AM »
Hi Patti, I'd happily believe that Ralph was forced to make the call to Jeremy (since it was cut off) but I can't reconcile that with the purported evidence that Ralph also called the police directly, giving a coherent account. I can't see him being forced to make two calls. Additionally, I can't see a third party taking such a risk, since they would not have known the whereabouts of any mobile units - for example a car may have only been 5 minutes away.

What do you think of the evidence that Ralph called the police directly? Do you think he did?
It is my opinion that he did not. But when the police log was found which gave the impression that he did, Jeremy mistakenly thought that was evidence that would help him although his legal team apparently tried to persuade him not to use it for CCRC.

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #893 on: May 30, 2012, 09:20:AM »
There is simply no proof of any call from nevill to anyone, only bamber's word.

Even if you take bamber's word, listen to his last recorded interviews with the guardian. He is quite clear. He said Sheila.

The original trial was set around this phrase, as it meant that either bamber or Sheila, no one else, could be responsible.
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« Reply #894 on: May 30, 2012, 09:33:AM »
There is simply no proof of any call from nevill to anyone, only bamber's word.

Even if you take bamber's word, listen to his last recorded interviews with the guardian. He is quite clear. He said Sheila.

The original trial was set around this phrase, as it meant that either bamber or Sheila, no one else, could be responsible.
Thats a fair comment and explains why the judge summed up as he did.

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« Reply #895 on: May 30, 2012, 10:46:AM »
Thats a fair comment and explains why the judge summed up as he did.

Except, of course, having a gun, holding a gun, "going beserk and has a gun" isn't tantamount to USING a gun, but when one of the only two suspects is somewhere other than the SOC, it seems ludicrous to pin it on him.

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #896 on: May 30, 2012, 10:49:AM »
Except, of course, having a gun, holding a gun, "going beserk and has a gun" isn't tantamount to USING a gun, but when one of the only two suspects is somewhere other than the SOC, it seems ludicrous to pin it on him.

I assume that's why they didn't at first.
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« Reply #897 on: May 30, 2012, 11:28:AM »
I assume that's why they didn't at first.
I believe it was the family that changed the course of the investigation? Soon after that Julie Mugford confessed her criminal errors which strangely lead to her statement about her former unfaithful boyfriend.

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« Reply #898 on: May 30, 2012, 11:35:AM »
I believe it was the family that changed the course of the investigation? Soon after that Julie Mugford confessed her criminal errors which strangely lead to her statement about her former unfaithful boyfriend.

Pressure, pressure, pressure.... Mugford comes forward (but actually doesn't come forward).... silencer with adults blood appears, as if by magic?

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« Reply #899 on: May 30, 2012, 11:46:AM »
Pressure, pressure, pressure.... Mugford comes forward (but actually doesn't come forward).... silencer with adults blood appears, as if by magic?

Which now, if we are to believe American experts, has nothing to do with Sheila because it is possible that the gun was fired without the silencer.