How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...

[Reader]

You should already know that he never claimed to have such itemization, just earlier bills that he says were itemized, suggesting that later bills would also have been.

[guest154]

You should already know that he never claimed to have such itemization, just earlier bills that he says were itemized, suggesting that later bills would also have been.

He hinted though, if he has the earlier bills that have the itemization - then surely the others should. To be fair I haven't seen him say he has - but others on here have said that Mike has said he has such bills. I guess I took their word for it.

[mike tesko]

Mike, can you confirm you still say you have itemised billing from the time of the murders  that shows a call made from WHF to Jeremy?


I wasn't aware that a panic alarm had any tracking capabilities. I believe that there would need to be another piece of software.
Don't think I've ever read that a panic alarm was actually installed at the time of the murders, if it was it would make sense that SOMEONE would have used it during the slayings.

Unless Sheila took the psrents by suprise, and or the phone was left off its cradle serving to deactivate the link to the police at the time the shootings commenced...

[Jane]

Please forgive my ignorance, but what relevance do alarm buttons and itemized phone bills have to a lost photo? Have I missed something important?

[bloggs and son]

Please forgive my ignorance, but what relevance do alarm buttons and itemized phone bills have to a lost photo? Have I missed something important?

Well I see the fact that a panic alarm was fitted to be very significant and has been overlooked by some. Because the reason that it was installed was because of the very real threat to the Bamber family.
I have a theory that of course cannot be proved one way or another. It is just my theory. It has subjective evidence which is the say so of a certain contact that I have (it isn't an attempt to be cloak and dagger by the way).

Here's what my theory is. Jeremy receives a call in the early morning from his father telling him that Sheila has gone crazy with the gun/a gun. That was Ralph who was being forced by a third party assassin (the one or ones who had threatened the family's lives. The attacker/s beat him until he complied with their request and threatened to shoot the others or one of the family if be didn't. This was an attempt by them to get Jeremy round to WHF. Instead Jeremy phoned the police. On hearing police cars approaching up Pages Lane the killer/s killed the rest of the family, or Sheila if she was the last to die (quite easy for two people to force her head backwards in order to shoot her by pulling her hair back). before fleeing the house by unknown means (man seen scuttling away from the farm).
Operation half successful. Unfortunately Jeremy wasn't there or he would have been their last victim and their task would have been complete and a perfect murder.
The rest you can make what you will of it.

But what I will say is this: There are certain people in very influential positions whom it will not benefit to see Jeremy released. I have believed this for some time. Let me ask you one question. Why are their so many people who are interested in the case of Jeremy Bamber? And why are so many people concerned at the prospect of his release? I'm sorry, but it just isn't good enough to say its because he's child murderer. There are many other child murderers who don't even receive a fraction of the publicity that JB has, or have receive even a quarter of the hatred that JB has.
So WHY are people so interested in him and why are they so concerned for him to remain in jail? It is as if the CCRC are accommodating someone by wilfully preventing the simplest of evidence to pass their eyes? They are protecting someone and this someone (And I said this at the very beginning remember) has perhaps millions invested in this? Mark my words. I will be very surprised (but pleased) if JB's legal team win this Judicial review?

Mark this also. Why has Simon McKay been researched and some are trying their hardest to discredit him as soon as he took up this case? I can name at least three people who have done so. Why now? Why not at any other time? Why as soon as he took up JB's case? I am afraid JB has a very big fight in order to obtain his get out of jail card. Because thiscase goes right to the top and it involves vast sums of money and big business. I have said this from the very beginning. There are dark forces that are at work here (I'm not being religious here) these forces are quite tangible and real and are doing their utmost to keep JB in prison.

Just look at the hatred against those who think him innocent. Just think of the vast resistance by a great deal of people and those who mock those who think he is innocent. It is quite unnatural and seemingly paranoid reactions to it all. eg: Just the other day Rochford made a very simple and obvious question to a member who has obviously rejoined the forum and had been frequenting the silly other forum and the immediate reaction to his comment was "you're paranoid". What a strange reaction. They obviously couldn't see that it was their reaction that was paranoid and not Rochford.

Now as I said my view of events is only a theory and probably leaves itself open to many questions which could be justified. But the last piece of information I gave you. That is real. I have known almost from the beginning and that is the reason JB will have a devil of a fight to get out of Gaol. You will be surprised just how high this thing goes and there are people on this forum who know that what I am saying to you is true.

[bloggs and son]

Just as an after thought. It has been rumoured and it is true that pictures of my house have been posted on the silly forum. I would like to make it very clear that they are very old pictures. Over two years old at least and I am not prepared to tell you how I know this. You might even say they are as bad as updating their information as Google is.  I notice that one of their sheep has commented that it would put the wind up them if anyone posted pictures of their house. Well just to let you know. It makes no difference to me whether someone has taken pictures of my house at all. The one thing that does concern me is that I hadn't done any weeding before the picture was taken.
It still amazes me just how many of their sheep believe everything they are told by that halfwit? Those who frequent that forum must be really dim? In fact I know who they are and can confidently confirm that they ARE dim. Carry on you tossers. You haven't got the balls to come round my house. There are cameras and they will get a very clear picture of you and woe betide you I will have some fun with you.

[susan]

Grahame  perhaps the sheep would be good enough to get down on their hands and knees and eat your weeds sheep are very good for that not much else poor souls.  Perhaps they want a good picture for Homes & Gardens Mag.

[bloggs and son]

Grahame  perhaps the sheep would be good enough to get down on their hands and knees and eat your weeds sheep are very good for that not much else poor souls.  Perhaps they want a good picture for Homes & Gardens Mag.

The sheep will have to leave their cameras outside my royal estate though.

[susan]

Grahame don,t give sheep too much credit they would not know what to do with a camera probably think it was a Yorkshire Pudding.

[lookout]

The fact of the matter is that it was quite possible that the extended family members weren't aware of Sheila having "gone beserk " on a few occasions whereby if JB hadn't been present at WHF at the time of these scenario's happening,,then Ralph would automatically phone Jeremy for help/assistance to calm Sheila down.
I doubt if any of these " outbursts " were ever told to anyone,as Ralph was a private person and held in high regard. It would have been against his better judgement to have let this sort of a " scene " get beyond the immediate family.
It's no wonder JB had told the police that " she was mad ",,,,he'd seen it all before,,and back then there was little understanding about such a condition.

This is why,on the night/morning of the murders that Ralph phoned Jeremy before the police,,,thinking that if Jeremy was there,between them they'd be able to calm Sheila as they had done before,,,,because if Sheila had heard mention about the police it would have inflamed the situation further.
Hence the fact that Jeremy was in no particular hurry to get to WHF,,because of past events where they've been able to calm the situation.
But this time it was different in that Sheila had a gun,,,to which Jeremy had thought it was nothing more than a threat,,,but before JB himself rang the police,he rang JM asking her did she think he'd be doing the right thing in calling the police in,,,,which we all know he did after he'd spoken to JM.

JB,must have got the shock of his life when he reached the farmhouse,,,to learn that it wasn't just one of Sheila's usual threats and outbursts. He was visibly shocked and shaken to realise the extent of what had happened.

However,,,with the shock and trauma that JB must have suffered,but hadn't got time to show with the police presence there,and then coupled with a forthcoming trial,,,he gave the impression of being void of emotion,,etc. Which wouldn't have been the case. How does anyone know how a person feels,or what they're thinking.? He was now being nailed for something that clearly he didn't do,,and probably at the time,,couldn't understand.

I am quoting a passage written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, who showed the weakness of this category of evidence when he wrote,quote  " it must be confessed that circumstantial evidence can never be absolutely convincing, and that it is only the critical student of such cases who realises how often a damning  chain of evidence may, by some slight change,be made to bear an entirely different interpretation," unqote.

It was circumstantial evidence that convicted Jeremy Bamber.   The question is,did the police interpret the evidence in the correct way,or could the very different interpretation, that Sheila Caffell committed the murders before killing herself,,,be correct.?

The jury had no knowledge of who would therefore benefit from JB's conviction.     RB,,DB,,,and AE,had frequently visited the police and accompanied them to WHF.

[mertol22]

The fact of the matter is that it was quite possible that the extended family members weren't aware of Sheila having "gone beserk " on a few occasions whereby if JB hadn't been present at WHF at the time of these scenario's happening,,then Ralph would automatically phone Jeremy for help/assistance to calm Sheila down.
I doubt if any of these " outbursts " were ever told to anyone,as Ralph was a private person and held in high regard. It would have been against his better judgement to have let this sort of a " scene " get beyond the immediate family.
It's no wonder JB had told the police that " she was mad ",,,,he'd seen it all before,,and back then there was little understanding about such a condition.

This is why,on the night/morning of the murders that Ralph phoned Jeremy before the police,,,thinking that if Jeremy was there,between them they'd be able to calm Sheila as they had done before,,,,because if Sheila had heard mention about the police it would have inflamed the situation further.
Hence the fact that Jeremy was in no particular hurry to get to WHF,,because of past events where they've been able to calm the situation.
But this time it was different in that Sheila had a gun,,,to which Jeremy had thought it was nothing more than a threat,,,but before JB himself rang the police,he rang JM asking her did she think he'd be doing the right thing in calling the police in,,,,which we all know he did after he'd spoken to JM.

JB,must have got the shock of his life when he reached the farmhouse,,,to learn that it wasn't just one of Sheila's usual threats and outbursts. He was visibly shocked and shaken to realise the extent of what had happened.

However,,,with the shock and trauma that JB must have suffered,but hadn't got time to show with the police presence there,and then coupled with a forthcoming trial,,,he gave the impression of being void of emotion,,etc. Which wouldn't have been the case. How does anyone know how a person feels,or what they're thinking.? He was now being nailed for something that clearly he didn't do,,and probably at the time,,couldn't understand.

I am quoting a passage written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, who showed the weakness of this category of evidence when he wrote,quote  " it must be confessed that circumstantial evidence can never be absolutely convincing, and that it is only the critical student of such cases who realises how often a damning  chain of evidence may, by some slight change,be made to bear an entirely different interpretation," unqote.

It was circumstantial evidence that convicted Jeremy Bamber.   The question is,did the police interpret the evidence in the correct way,or could the very different interpretation, that Sheila Caffell committed the murders before killing herself,,,be correct.?

The jury had no knowledge of who would therefore benefit from JB's conviction.     RB,,DB,,,and AE,had frequently visited the police and accompanied them to WHF.

sometimes you can put your foot in it i do question as to why some of the relatives were keen to get the case moving,  with little to go on how could they speed the investigation up, despite the nature of the crimes the officers assigned to the case would have been decided by someone in great authority the relatives had no right to get things moving thats why police officers are paid goog money.

[maggie]

Grahame

Have to agree that there is every possibility that a third party could have been involved. There are so many possibilities and so little hard evidence we have to be careful of argui.g from one direction ie. Jeremy or Sheila. All theories reach a dead end and I always have the feeling there is somethi.g obvious which is being missed .

[lookout]

I know Mertol.. It's all wrong. The jury had " no knowledge " of a lot of things,,,,and there's one thing I can't abide,and that's a weak defence,,which clearly it has been from day one,and look at the obscene amount they get for failing to use common sense,something which doesn't need a degree. Though saying that,,,it makes me wonder. Police also come under that category as well. Dormant grey matter.

[lookout]

 FAO------MIKE.

Is there any possible way that you can find out how many times Ralph called Jeremy to help restrain Sheila when she was having her " outbursts ".? It would help immensely. These " turns " of hers were kept pretty " hush hush " you see.

On the night of the murders,JB just imagined it to be one of Sheila's usual psychotic episodes,,which by all accounts he was used to. It's like someone " crying wolf ",where you tend not to take much notice of,,then when something drastic does happen,you're ill-prepared.

[campion]

 Re The Posts    813, 820 and 821, by Mike and Grahame, could someone say, whether the itemised Billing, allegedly held and withheld by EP, would indicate the timing, duration, and ORIGIN, of PB's all important call to her sister, on the eve of the massacre?