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Offline Patti

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #465 on: May 09, 2012, 11:31:AM »
This has been suggested many times on this forum, by numerous posters.

Sorry I didn't know....:)

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #466 on: May 09, 2012, 11:35:AM »
Patti the blood from her nose should run down her throat unless she has been  moved
These are all signs that she had been moved.

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #467 on: May 09, 2012, 11:36:AM »
In the photograph of Sheila on the bed, with one wound to neck, there is no other blood visible except a dried, faded, vertical bloodstain under the lower entry wound. It must have been been the site of this that fooled Craig into mistakenly pronouncing her as being dead at 8.44am.

Sheila's nose started to bleed whilst police lifted her body into position on the bedroom floor. it is not yet clear to which entry wound this nose bleed was / is related to? But I personally think the nose bleed is associated with the first wound because blood from the upper wound does not replicate the direction of blood flow from the nose...
« Last Edit: May 09, 2012, 11:41:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #468 on: May 09, 2012, 11:45:AM »
Sorry I didn't know....:)

It wasn't a criticism, quite the opposite  :)

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #469 on: May 09, 2012, 11:54:AM »
Sheila's nose started to bleed whilst police lifted her body into position on the bedroom floor. it is not yet clear to which entry wound this nose bleed was / is related to? But I personally think the nose bleed is associated with the first wound because blood from the upper wound does not replicate the direction of blood flow from the nose...

admittedly, niether does the blood which originally ran vertically from underneath the lower entry wound, but tbat blood had already dried..

This leads me to suspect, that blood which bled from the nose, gathered in Sheila's throat, mouth and nasal passage, and spilled from her left nostril during movement of the body by police...
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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #470 on: May 09, 2012, 11:54:AM »
I agree, she was definitely moved, the photographs confirm that. Dose this mean that she was still bleeding when she was moved?

If she was found in that position, surely she would have had an injury to her head form the cabinet, but no injury was reported by the pathologist....It could be that he didn't look and did not know the position she was claimed to have been found in...:)

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #471 on: May 09, 2012, 12:00:PM »
I agree, she was definitely moved, the photographs confirm that. Dose this mean that she was still bleeding when she was moved?

If she was found in that position, surely she would have had an injury to her head form the cabinet, but no injury was reported by the pathologist....It could be that he didn't look and did not know the position she was claimed to have been found in...:)

yes, I think the first wound was still bleeding internally, whilst externally the bleeding from the lower wound had stopped and dried in a vertical fashion...
« Last Edit: May 09, 2012, 12:03:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #472 on: May 09, 2012, 12:00:PM »
It wasn't a criticism, quite the opposite  :)

Hi Rochford :) No worries.....I hope you don't think I am a parrot lol

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #473 on: May 09, 2012, 12:10:PM »
yes, I think the first wound was still bleeding internally, whilst externally the bleeding from the lower wound had stopped and dried in a vertical fashion...

Having said that, I am prepared to accept that the nose bleed could be linked or associated to the upper fatal wound under the chin, in the following circumstances...
« Last Edit: May 09, 2012, 12:27:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #474 on: May 09, 2012, 12:49:PM »
(1) - Sheila was on bed with a solitary wound to neck

(2)  - during training exercise, mishandling of weapon on body, resulted in a second wound bring inflicted on neck...

(3) - realizing that Sheila was still alive, fingers were placed over the upper entry wound whilst her body was lifted from the bed to the floor, at which time her head lolled back and forth, and to the left, so that blood that ran from the nose, lt corresponding trails of blood which had flowed in different directions on her face...

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #475 on: May 09, 2012, 01:18:PM »

Mike

Sheilas head must have been moved from side to side to get the blood running on her face like that.  I would also reckon that was red oxygenated blood running out of sheilas mouth and neck. I am not an expert however and it is only a photo.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2012, 01:25:PM by maggie »

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« Reply #476 on: May 09, 2012, 03:33:PM »
Any progress with the recovery of the photo from any one of the hard drives? Can anyone from the forum offer to help Mike if they live nearby?
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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #477 on: May 09, 2012, 05:10:PM »
Any progress with the recovery of the photo from any one of the hard drives? Can anyone from the forum offer to help Mike if they live nearby?

Toynb has offered as has somebody else,possibly Bob, but Mike has not responded I don't believe

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #478 on: May 09, 2012, 09:19:PM »
Toynb has offered as has somebody else,possibly Bob, but Mike has not responded I don't believe
I know specialists in this field worldwide.
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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #479 on: May 09, 2012, 09:24:PM »
I apologise for the condition of the edited photograph I am posting but for the purpose of giving everyone an idea of what the wound on Sheila's neck looks like, this brings the point home:-
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