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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #360 on: May 04, 2012, 08:39:PM »
It really doesn't matter, as I said before it will still count was new evidence as it will immediately throw the former evidence and picture into doubt. Since every police officer testified that Sheila was on the bed. This single picture will immediately throw their testimonies into doubt for the simple reason that no one has mentioned that Sheila was on the bed at any time. In fact the very fact that every one of their statements agree contradicts this new picture. If it exists that is?
grahame, "Since every police officer testified that Sheila was on the bed. This single picture will immediately throw their testimonies into doubt for the simple reason that no one has mentioned that Sheila was on the bed at any time."  I assume this is a typo and you meant on the Floor?
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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #361 on: May 04, 2012, 08:50:PM »
It really doesn't matter, as I said before it will still count was new evidence as it will immediately throw the former evidence and picture into doubt. Since every police officer testified that Sheila was on the bed. This single picture will immediately throw their testimonies into doubt for the simple reason that no one has mentioned that Sheila was on the bed at any time. In fact the very fact that every one of their statements agree contradicts this new picture. If it exists that is?
You are correct in this view although it has previously been said in appeal(?) that police officers statements are more reliable than photo's (at least thats what i remember)
The alledged photo coming to light would therefore reinforce AEs statement she was told by a police officer SC was found on the bed.
I personally do not believe that MT has a copy and hold the view that any copy will not come to light. I hope i am proved wrong as you are right grahame it will knock another foundation stone loose
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« Reply #362 on: May 04, 2012, 09:19:PM »
You are correct in this view although it has previously been said in appeal(?) that police officers statements are more reliable than photo's (at least thats what i remember)
The alledged photo coming to light would therefore reinforce AEs statement she was told by a police officer SC was found on the bed.
I personally do not believe that MT has a copy and hold the view that any copy will not come to light. I hope i am proved wrong as you are right grahame it will knock another foundation stone loose

What happened to the photo that 'Z' had? Wasn't that handed directly to the CCRC? Did it knock another foundation stone loose?

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #363 on: May 04, 2012, 09:31:PM »
grahame, "Since every police officer testified that Sheila was on the bed. This single picture will immediately throw their testimonies into doubt for the simple reason that no one has mentioned that Sheila was on the bed at any time."  I assume this is a typo and you meant on the Floor?
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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #364 on: May 04, 2012, 09:35:PM »
You are correct in this view although it has previously been said in appeal(?) that police officers statements are more reliable than photo's (at least thats what i remember)
The alledged photo coming to light would therefore reinforce AEs statement she was told by a police officer SC was found on the bed.
I personally do not believe that MT has a copy and hold the view that any copy will not come to light. I hope i am proved wrong as you are right grahame it will knock another foundation stone loose
Yes I was worried that it would make no difference if there was such a picture. Not because it would undoubtedly prove that the police testimonies were wrong and therefore allegedly contrived, but because the CCRC will simply not accept it, rather believing that the police officers were not lying. Unfortunately that also must be challenged as it was not their place to make such a judgment in the first place. Unless it was the court of appeal who said that? I can't remember?
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« Reply #365 on: May 04, 2012, 09:43:PM »
Am I confused? The CCRC have the picture don't they.

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #366 on: May 05, 2012, 12:00:AM »
Smoke and mirrors Mike, smoke and mirrors. You supposedly took possession of a photo of Sheila Caffell on the bed, post mortem. You sent the original photo by mail to a man you allegedly visited in jail. Why not hand it to him in person? You could have given it to his defence team. But what anyone would do is keep a copy, a physical copy. Not just some image on an old hard drive. And how did it get there Mike? By magic? You must have scanned it or copied it. I have believed in you without question for so long but not any more.

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #367 on: May 06, 2012, 03:29:PM »
Any news of this picture yet?
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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #368 on: May 06, 2012, 08:58:PM »

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #369 on: May 06, 2012, 09:09:PM »
Smoke and mirrors Mike, smoke and mirrors. You supposedly took possession of a photo of Sheila Caffell on the bed, post mortem. You sent the original photo by mail to a man you allegedly visited in jail. Why not hand it to him in person? You could have given it to his defence team. But what anyone would do is keep a copy, a physical copy. Not just some image on an old hard drive. And how did it get there Mike? By magic? You must have scanned it or copied it. I have believed in you without question for so long but not any more.

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #370 on: May 06, 2012, 10:42:PM »
As this topic was started  eleven days ago, don't you have any news yet regarding the drive you mentioned?

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #371 on: May 07, 2012, 12:10:AM »
Good, now find something else to get interested in...
But this thread and hopefully the revelation of the photo has us all intrigued. Mike, on many occasions you have promised to show us the "goods" if the CCRC decision didn't go favourably, now it's time to show the faithful they are not all  Lemmings, IMHO....
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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #372 on: May 07, 2012, 08:34:AM »
But this thread and hopefully the revelation of the photo has us all intrigued. Mike, on many occasions you have promised to show us the "goods" if the CCRC decision didn't go favourably, now it's time to show the faithful they are not all  Lemmings, IMHO....

Mike also stated his informant was waiting to decide what to do, until after the CCRC decision.  Whatever was handed to the CCRC was not sufficient for them to pull out of delivering a refusal to refer. Reading between the lines and Mat, it appears that whatever was handed in, can be explained away in the usual manner, i.e. total benefit of the doubt being given to Essex Police etc.

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #373 on: May 07, 2012, 09:01:AM »
But this thread and hopefully the revelation of the photo has us all intrigued. Mike, on many occasions you have promised to show us the "goods" if the CCRC decision didn't go favourably, now it's time to show the faithful they are not all  Lemmings, IMHO....

The photograph of Sheila on the bed exists, I only removed one such photograph from the album when I visited Ewens office in 2004, there could have been others in the same album but I didn't look at all the pictures. The purpose of removing the photograph was with the specific intention of sending it to Jeremy, which is what I did. Of course, I did scan the image and retained it on a computer I was using at the time, I did this the same evening I returned from Ewens office in Birmingham, which was also the same evening that I spoke to Jeremy on the telephone at which stage I told him about the photograph of Sheila on the bed. I did not tell Jeremy that I had actually got one of the photographs when I spoke to him on the phone that evening, because I knew our telephone conversation was being monitored by Prison security, and I did not want to alert them that I had removed a photograph from the album sent to Ewen by Essex police. I sent the photograph to Jeremy under a privilege rule 37A, standing order 5B 32 (3), but I found out days later that the prison authorities had intercepted it and were refusing to hand it over to Jeremy, the prison told him that the contents of the correspondence would be placed on his prison file. This caused Jeremy and myself to have a fall out because at that stage he was in the process of appointing GDS to represent him, and getting rid of Ewen Smith. The prison told Jeremy that he could not receive privileged letters and contents from me, because he was currently using the same privilege to correspond with GDS. In fact, I think the prison either threatened to stop Jeremy and GDS communicating under the privilege rule because of the contents I sent to jeremy under the same. I wrote a separate letter to the governor at HMP Full Sutton, explaining that I had previously been entitled to communicate with Jeremy under the aforementioned privilege rule when I was acting as his McKensie man, and that no-one had contacted me to say that I could not still use that privileged facility?

Jeremy was fuming about what I had done because he said it was fucking up his new solicitor (GDS) communicating with him privately. He told me to stop writing to him under the privilege rule, and I think a week or so later, the prison authorities reinstated the privilege to allow Jeremy and GDS to communicate in private...

It was around this time that Jeremy disposed of Ewen Smiths services, and I was invited to transfer all the material in Ewen Smiths possession at Birmingham, down to GDS' offices in London, but I declined the offer. However, I did take up an invite to visit GDS' offices along with another person close to Jeremy (who I shall choose not to mention) for the purpose of looking through all the photograph albums and to take copies of any which showed Sheila on the bed. Present on this occasion was GDS' son Michael, we were allowed to take copies of a number of photographs but there were none of Sheila on the bed, which made me think that Ewen had sent these back to Essex police before forwarding the rest of the files onto GDS...

Anyway...

As far as I am concerned, the photograph I sent to Jeremy which shows Sheila on the bed is on Jeremys prison file...

Here are some photographs of the hard drive which contains a scanned copy of the picture I have been speaking about. I am taking steps to place it somewhere in safe hands (this very day), out of harms way, until I can get hold of a cable, to allow me to download the relevant file from it...
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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #374 on: May 07, 2012, 09:05:AM »
A photo of the hard drive that contains the photo of Sheila on the bed. Cool.
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