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Offline mike tesko

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Re: Essex Police's Credibility
« Reply #60 on: April 06, 2012, 04:38:PM »
Nevertheless Mike, unless the CCRC do a 'Man from Del Monte' next week, your informant will not have had any impact by handing stuff in to the reception.

it remains to be seen...
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Re: Essex Police's Credibility
« Reply #61 on: April 06, 2012, 05:27:PM »
  Forensic Ballistics is a Postgraduate MSc Programme.

                                 Course Aims

 To provide students with an understanding of how the physical sciences and other disciplines including Ballistics, Weapon Function and Weapon Failure can be used to help resolve issues in relation to Civil and Criminal Law. To help equip students with the necessary understanding of Science, Firearms Classification, Firearms Law, Courtroom Skills, other specific disciplines and research methods, in order to prepare them to practice as a Professional Expert Witness in Forensic Ballistics.

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 Develop a critical awareness of current practice in Forensic Science through partaking in Crime Scene Exercises run by Professional Crime Scene Investigations and the attendance at lectures given by Practising Forensic Scientists and Engineers and by being encouraged to join Professional Organisations such as The Forensic Science Society.

 Demonstrate critical assessment and originality of thought through the examination of a wide range of different types of evidence using at first hand many of the analytical techniques within the armoury of the Modern Forensic Scientist or Engineer.

  Critically Assess Data Through The Application Of STATISTICAL TESTS And REASONING.
 Demonstrate a critical awareness of the importance of traceability of evidence.

  Acquire and assimilate knowledge from a wide range of adjacent disciplines in Ballistics, Engineering and the Physical Sciences that impact Forensics.
 Understand and employ the Scientific Principles behind current analytical techniques and procedures to critically evaluate new ones and solve problems encountered.


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  Communicate effectively through the written word and orally by means of Expert witness reports and the presentation of evidence in Court.
 
  Demonstrate a wide range of transferable skills through the regular use of Computer- Based literature searches, Critical use of the Internet ( Jeremy Bamber Forum ) and the use of desktop publishing techniques to construct reports. Independently plan and execute a detailed research project ( Jeremy Bamber ) and present results at meetings.

  Write a Research Thesis ( Its Obvious who to choose for this ) that includes

  A critical review of established Forensic Practice in a particular field.
 
  Describe and critically evaluate current research and methodologies in the area, categorising good and bad practice, and defending their opinions.

  A clear explanation of experimental/analytical procedures and the presentations of results by appropriate means.

  Self-critical discussion of experimental/analytical Results with Conclusions that place The Research in the Context of the Professional Practice of Forensic Sciences.


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 The Forensic Ballistics MSc has been formally accredited by the Forensic Science Society.


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Re: Essex Police's Credibility
« Reply #62 on: April 06, 2012, 05:38:PM »
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If by chance you happen to come up against an American Chief Medical Examiner at an appeal Good Luck. Jeremy Bamber has got three of them!!!!! 

What if the CCRC dodge the non disclosure issue (as did the IPCC) re the photographs and state that the ballistics evidence should have been presented previously?

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Re: Essex Police's Credibility
« Reply #63 on: April 06, 2012, 06:16:PM »
What if the CCRC dodge the non disclosure issue (as did the IPCC) re the photographs and state that the ballistics evidence should have been presented previously?

That has been addressed by Simon McKay in the final submissions.  It is unlikely that the evidence could have been obtained in 1986.


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« Reply #64 on: April 06, 2012, 06:52:PM »
That has been addressed by Simon McKay in the final submissions.  It is unlikely that the evidence could have been obtained in 1986.

Well we'll know soon enough Neil.  Let's hope that Simon is not pushed in to persuing other avenues.

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Re: Essex Police's Credibility
« Reply #65 on: April 06, 2012, 07:24:PM »
Well we'll know soon enough Neil.  Let's hope that Simon is not pushed in to persuing other avenues.

Wonder what those other avenues will in include?
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Re: Essex Police's Credibility
« Reply #66 on: April 06, 2012, 07:28:PM »
Wonder what those other avenues will in include?
What avenue's would you pursue ?

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Re: Essex Police's Credibility
« Reply #67 on: April 06, 2012, 07:32:PM »
What avenue's would you pursue ?

I think they could do with information provided by me, from my informant...
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Re: Essex Police's Credibility
« Reply #68 on: April 06, 2012, 10:18:PM »
Wonder what those other avenues will in include?

I meant Judicial Review in the first instance.

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Re: Essex Police's Credibility
« Reply #69 on: April 06, 2012, 10:28:PM »
I meant Judicial Review in the first instance.

Oh I see, nothing to do with the information provided by .........
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Re: Essex Police's Credibility
« Reply #70 on: April 06, 2012, 10:39:PM »
Oh I see, nothing to do with the information provided by .........

I dont follow what you're saying Mike.  Spit it out.

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Re: Essex Police's Credibility
« Reply #71 on: April 06, 2012, 10:48:PM »
I dont follow what you're saying Mike.  Spit it out.

For the time being I am withholding the identity of my informant - he will come forward himself in due course, at least that is what he tells me...
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Re: Essex Police's Credibility
« Reply #72 on: April 08, 2012, 02:06:AM »
Well Harters, our lot are used to being on the losing side and it sounds like your lot are pretty confident.  Our lot had hoped for a double six with Bamber's last throw of the dice.  But I'm not sure you would make the statement you have, without some kind of indication from elsewhere, having been intimated.

Oh well, nevermind.

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Re: Essex Police's Credibility
« Reply #73 on: April 08, 2012, 09:07:AM »
When witnesses are not making their own witness statements, and or the DPP are editing the contents of the same to exclude evidence that would be damaging to the case they seek to bring against a person, I thin k its fair to say that in these circumstances the credibility of the police involved in this case / investigation / prosecution of Jeremy Bamber, is more than called into question...

It turned into a witch-hunt, and Jeremy was the fall guy...
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Re: Essex Police's Credibility
« Reply #74 on: April 08, 2012, 06:12:PM »
  Some statistics from America. The majority of Gun-Related deaths in the United States are Suicides with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,244 Fire-Arm related deaths in 2007 due to Suicide, while 12,632 (40.5%) were Homicides. 50.7% of all Suicides committed during 2006 in the United States were with Guns. The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime for the year 2000 has these numbers for Gun related crime. Homicides with Fire-Arms  Colombia                 83%
                                                                England and Wales  8%                                                               
                                                                United States          65%

 Unlike the US, Suicide rates with Guns where Guns are uncommon are as you would expect equally uncommon. How daft are Simon Mckay and Mark Williams-Thomas for getting the tests carried out in the United States !!!!!