Essex Police's Credibility

[Roch]

Given the level of concern about the convictions, both historic and current, I do wonder whether the relatives fight too hard to maintain the guilty image of Bamber.  It just doesn't add up for me.  It's like they're fighting as if their lives depended upon it.  I know of no other similar case were surviving relatives of victims have waged such a staunch defence of the convictions in the face of mounting doubts.

There's a rat away somewhere.... the question is, where?

[ngb1066]

  Grahame, I wonder what Peter Suthehurst ( Photographic Specialist ) said when he watched the documentary and do you think they had it on at Full Sutton Prison !!!   

Jeremy watched it in his cell.

[Buddy]

Jeremy watched it in his cell.

I hope he was not as disappointed as I was. It did nothing for me in thinking that Jeremy was not gulty.
It was poorly  presented, and added nothing to Bambers case.

[campion]

   Is an appetite developing to really stick the boot in to the Prosecution and maintain the advantage !!! 

[jon]

I hope he was not as disappointed as I was. It did nothing for me in thinking that Jeremy was not gulty.
It was poorly  presented, and added nothing to Bambers case.

It showed the watching public , that the gun had no silencer fitted , it even showed you the test's to show this , what more you want JM sitting there saying ' i told a fib or two ' ?

[Buddy]

It showed the watching public , that the gun had no silencer fitted , it even showed you the test's to show this , what more you want JM sitting there saying ' i told a fib or two ' ?

I disagree with you. It did not show that the silencer was not fitted. In any case the silencer was a red herring, and should be discarded. The silencer was contaminated evidence, and it was a disgrace that it was ever used.

[jon]

I disagree with you. It did not show that the silencer was not fitted. In any case the silencer was a red herring, and should be discarded. The silencer was contaminated evidence, and it was a disgrace that it was ever used.

But it was used , as the main plank of prosecution's case !! Why don't you believe it never showed that the silencer was not fitted ?

[campion]

  Martin Wallace, who became the Suffragan (flying) Bishop of Selby in 2003 was formerly the Arch Deacon of Colchester from 1997. Pocklington, where Full Sutton Jail is located is a mere 16 miles from Selby. As June Bamber was religious, it won't look to good if her adopted son who was convicted of her Murder, and the rest of his immediate family, on fabricated charges trumped up by a person who used to sing in the Police Choir at St Botolphs, Colchester, is then released on appeal due to being innocent !

[Reader]

I think the only way for people to make up their own mind is to watch the Williams-Thomas test on YouTube...

You mean the tests by Boyce. In those, the rifle, with and without sound moderator, was pressed against the pigskin.

[Roch]

You mean the tests by Boyce. In those, the rifle, with and without sound moderator, was pressed against the pigskin.

Reader, it may have been more accurate if he had described the tests as facilitated by Williams-Thomas.

[campion]

    Yes Reader the pigskin tests replicating a contact gunshot wound. 

[Reader]

More accurately, wounds resulting from contact and pressure, but not contact without pressure.

[campion]

  The rifle without a silencer was in contact with the skin. Leaving a flash burn that is different to one with a silencer. This would show up at an Autopsy and subsequent Coroner's Inquest. But may have been withheld under PII ! 

[grahameb]

All this talk of pig skin and pie is making me feel hungry....mmmmm crackling.

[Roch]

More accurately, wounds resulting from contact and pressure, but not contact without pressure.

Is pig hide thicker than human skin?  I would have thought so.  Perhaps the pressure applied to pig hide in such experiments is due to this difference?