Could Someone other than Jeremy or Sheila have comitted the murders at WHF?

[nugnug]

well assuming Sheila didn't do it and assuming jermy didn't do it.

whoever did do it put the gun in sheilas hand to frame her meaning they knew about her illness.

so it must have been somebody who knew a fair bit about the family.

[mike tesko]

What if one of the other relatives committed the murders?

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

What if one of the other relatives committed the murders?

Mike do you realise what you are saying? Be careful!

[Hartley]

What if one of the other relatives committed the murders?

Really? 

Wheres those men in white coats when you need them, ha ha hee hee ho ho, off to the funny farm we go. 

[chelmsey]

What if one of the other relatives committed the murders?

To gain what Mike? The inheritance? Then they would need Jeremy out of the equation,so surely they would have set him up from the beginning instead of setting it up to make it look like Sheila was responsible.

You are an intelligent guy Mike, you know only Sheila or Jeremy could have been responsible.

[mike tesko]

What if one of the other relatives committed the murders?

Mike do you realise what you are saying? Be careful!

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I'll put it another way then, what if somebody who was not a relative did not commit the murders?

[Kaldin]

What if one of the other relatives committed the murders?

Mike do you realise what you are saying? Be careful!

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I'll put it another way then, what if somebody who was not a relative did not commit the murders?

You've got a double negative in there. 

Do you mean - what if someone unrelated to Jeremy did not commit the murders?

In other words, do you mean - what if someone related to Jeremy committed the murders?

[mike tesko]

What if one of the other relatives committed the murders?

Mike do you realise what you are saying? Be careful!

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I'll put it another way then, what if somebody who was not a relative did not commit the murders?

You've got a double negative in there. 

Do you mean - what if someone unrelated to Jeremy did not commit the murders?

In other words, do you mean - what if someone related to Jeremy committed the murders?

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Precisely...

[ngb1066]

What if one of the other relatives committed the murders?

Mike do you realise what you are saying? Be careful!

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I'll put it another way then, what if somebody who was not a relative did not commit the murders?

You've got a double negative in there. 

Do you mean - what if someone unrelated to Jeremy did not commit the murders?

In other words, do you mean - what if someone related to Jeremy committed the murders?

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Precisely...

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Mike - How does what you are suggesting tie in with the telephone call from Nevill to Jeremy?

[mike tesko]

What if one of the other relatives committed the murders?

Mike do you realise what you are saying? Be careful!

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I'll put it another way then, what if somebody who was not a relative did not commit the murders?

You've got a double negative in there. 

Do you mean - what if someone unrelated to Jeremy did not commit the murders?

In other words, do you mean - what if someone related to Jeremy committed the murders?

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Precisely...

[/color]

Mike - How does what you are suggesting tie in with the telephone call from Nevill to Jeremy?

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Well, it seems to me that everything which is being alleged that JB could have done / did, could have been carried out by another party...

Sticking point is the phone call from Ralph to Jeremy, and what was actually said?

According to Jeremy, he did not tell the police that his father said "Sheila has got the gun, she has gone crazy", Jeremy told COLP in 1991, that his father actually said either "She has got the gun" or "he has got the gun" -  this was one of his complaints which COLP investigated as part pf their 1991 investigation...

If Ralph said "She has got the gun" or "He has got the gun" it makes a big difference, not only to the prosecution case, but also to the defense...

[Kaldin]

What if one of the other relatives committed the murders?

Mike do you realise what you are saying? Be careful!

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I'll put it another way then, what if somebody who was not a relative did not commit the murders?

You've got a double negative in there. 

Do you mean - what if someone unrelated to Jeremy did not commit the murders?

In other words, do you mean - what if someone related to Jeremy committed the murders?

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Precisely...

That's pretty much what you said before, except you appear to be talking about a random relative now rather than one of the relatives who were involved.

[ngb1066]

What if one of the other relatives committed the murders?

Mike do you realise what you are saying? Be careful!

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I'll put it another way then, what if somebody who was not a relative did not commit the murders?

You've got a double negative in there. 

Do you mean - what if someone unrelated to Jeremy did not commit the murders?

In other words, do you mean - what if someone related to Jeremy committed the murders?

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Precisely...

[/color]

Mike - How does what you are suggesting tie in with the telephone call from Nevill to Jeremy?

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Well, it seems to me that everything which is being alleged that JB could have done / did, could have been carried out by another party...

Sticking point is the phone call from Ralph to Jeremy, and what was actually said?

According to Jeremy, he did not tell the police that his father said "Sheila has got the gun, she has gone crazy", Jeremy told COLP in 1991, that his father actually said either "She has got the gun" or "he has got the gun" -  this was one of his complaints which COLP investigated as part pf their 1991 investigation...

If Ralph said "She has got the gun" or He has got the gun" it makes a big difference, not only to the prosecution case, but also to the defense...

I understand the point you are making now.  It is a possible scenario, but it goes against the basis of Jeremy's arguments at and since his trial, that Sheila was responsible for the five deaths.  Is there new evidence that supports the alternative scenario which you are suggesting now? I see from Jeremy's "official" website that he is still advancing the case that Sheila was responsible.

[nugnug]

apart from jermy who else would have benefited from the bamber family being dead

[Kaldin]

apart from jermy who else would have benefited from the bamber family being dead

There are several who could have benefitted financially, but only if Jeremy was dead too (or convicted of murder and therefore disinherited).

[ngb1066]

apart from jermy who else would have benefited from the bamber family being dead

There are several who could have benefitted financially, but only if Jeremy was dead too (or convicted of murder and therefore disinherited).

I believe that is the most relevant alternative here.  It is difficult (although I accept not impossible)  to visualise the scenario of a family member comitting or arranging five murders for financial gain, but less difficult to envisage the "improving" of a case against Jeremy after the killings, in order to provide a better chance of ensuring his conviction for murder.  It would be similar to what the police used to call "noble cause corruption", i.e. falsifying evidence to enhance the chance of convicting someone they "knew" to be guilty.