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« Reply #45 on: March 04, 2012, 01:26:PM »
He still actively supports his campaign.

I don't doubt you NGB but could you point me to the last public support Andrew Hunter has made or is the support now private?

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« Reply #46 on: March 04, 2012, 01:27:PM »
If mike had the itemised bill for that particular period, im sure they would be on the forum for all to see.

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« Reply #47 on: March 04, 2012, 01:29:PM »

If that is the case, well done to you for finding the details of this.
sorry Choc i think youve misunderstood my post. I was surmising what would have to happen,now evidence has to be found to prove it
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« Reply #48 on: March 04, 2012, 01:39:PM »
I don't doubt you NGB but could you point me to the last public support Andrew Hunter has made or is the support now private?

I am sorry but I am not sure when he last made a public statement.  He appeared in the "Crimes which shook Britain" documentary and I recall some press coverage last year.  I will try to find a reference to it.  I know that he remains in regular contact with Jeremy Bamber.

   

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« Reply #49 on: March 04, 2012, 01:48:PM »
First digital exchange opened in Hull Nov 1984. funnily enough called system X.....
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« Reply #50 on: March 04, 2012, 01:55:PM »
DV8, posts like this do nothing for an argument you'd previously made very well.

Yep, that's a fair point. Take it down please mods. I should have kept those thoughts to myself.

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« Reply #51 on: March 04, 2012, 01:59:PM »
Yep, that's a fair point. Take it down please mods. I should have kept those thoughts to myself.

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« Reply #52 on: March 04, 2012, 02:06:PM »
First digital exchange opened in Hull Nov 1984. funnily enough called system X.....
British Telecom placed an order for around £100 million in March for an AXE 10 (System Y) digital switching system to provide a competitive alternative to System X. The contract was awarded through Thorn Ericsson.

The first AXE 10 exchange was opened the following year at Sevenoaks. As well as being an alternative to System X, introduction of AXE 10 exchanges into the network allowed the modernisation programme of the network to be speeded up. AXE 10 exchanges provided the same range of extra facilities known as Star Services (later known as Select Services) as Systems X, including code calling, repeat last call, three way calling, call diversion, call waiting, call barring, reminder call and charge advice.
Thats 1986 by the way. BT placed the order with Thorn Ericcson in 1985.
so ther are two types of digital exchanges, X & Y (you couldnt make it up...) I know that itemised billing is available on the later system but not if its available on the earlier system although it seems not,as charge advise was a service used on X where the operator would advise you of the cost of the call. the earliest the earlier system would of been installed is in Nov 84 and is the only possible digital exchange that could of been in use in that area
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« Reply #53 on: March 04, 2012, 02:08:PM »

British Telecom placed an order for around £100 million in March  (1984?  If so, that article was correct)  for an AXE 10 (System Y) digital switching system to provide a competitive alternative to System X. The contract was awarded through Thorn Ericsson.

The first AXE 10 exchange was opened the following year at Sevenoaks. As well as being an alternative to System X, introduction of AXE 10 exchanges into the network allowed the modernisation programme of the network to be speeded up. AXE 10 exchanges provided the same range of extra facilities known as Star Services (later known as Select Services) as Systems X, including code calling, repeat last call, three way calling, call diversion, call waiting, call barring, reminder call and charge advice.
Thats 1986 by the way. BT placed the order with Thorn Ericcson in 1985.
so ther are two types of digital exchanges, X & Y (you couldnt make it up...) I know that itemised billing is available on the later system but not if its available on the earlier system although it seems not,as charge advise was a service used on X where the operator would advise you of the cost of the call. the earliest the earlier system would of been installed is in Nov 84 and is the only possible digital exchange that could of been in use in that area

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« Reply #54 on: March 04, 2012, 02:09:PM »
British Telecom placed an order for around £100 million in March for an AXE 10 (System Y) digital switching system to provide a competitive alternative to System X. The contract was awarded through Thorn Ericsson.

The first AXE 10 exchange was opened the following year at Sevenoaks. As well as being an alternative to System X, introduction of AXE 10 exchanges into the network allowed the modernisation programme of the network to be speeded up. AXE 10 exchanges provided the same range of extra facilities known as Star Services (later known as Select Services) as Systems X, including code calling, repeat last call, three way calling, call diversion, call waiting, call barring, reminder call and charge advice.
Thats 1986 by the way. BT placed the order with Thorn Ericcson in 1985.
so ther are two types of digital exchanges, X & Y (you couldnt make it up...) I know that itemised billing is available on the later system but not if its available on the earlier system although it seems not,as charge advise was a service used on X where the operator would advise you of the cost of the call. the earliest the earlier system would of been installed is in Nov 84 and is the only possible digital exchange that could of been in use in that area


Interesting piece, TonyB, well done and thank you for finding this

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« Reply #55 on: March 04, 2012, 02:12:PM »
1985

Cellnet, the British Telecom and Securicor joint venture cellular radio service, was launched on 7 January. It replaced the existing radiophone service operated by British Telecom. Its competitor Racal Vodafone was also launched the same year.

The joint venture company was relaunched as BT Cellnet in 1999. In July 1999 BT announced it would be acquiring Securicor's minority stake in the joint venture.

The first new-style British Telecom shop opened in Southend-on-Sea High Street on 3 January, selling a wide range of telephones, business equipment and telephone accessories. The new shop was an extension of the existing chain of 53 phoneshops, mostly sited in department stores or in local telephone area offices.

The new speaking clock was inaugurated at 11 o'clock on 2 April when the voice of Brian Cobby replaced that of Pat Simmons, the voice of the clock for the previous 22 years. The new clock was digital and, with no moving parts, more reliable and accurate than the old equipment.

From 1 November it was possible to rent an exchange line alone from BT without having to pay rental for a telephone instrument.

Modernisation of the trunk network began with the opening of 'System X' exchanges in Birmingham, Coventry, Leeds and the City of London. The initial phase of the modernisation was completed in November 1988 with the opening of the 53rd 'System X' trunk exchange in Norwich. The last analogue trunk exchange at Thurso, Scotland was closed in July 1990 and the BT long-distance network thereby became totally digital, the first major system in the world to do so.

The first Stored Programme Control telex inland exchange was opened.

The first UK operational undersea optical fibre cable was laid, linking the Isle of Wight to the mainland across the Solent.

British Telecom trailed its first Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN).

Trials of the Linkline 0800 and 0345 services began on 12 November. An International 0800 service was opened from the United States.

Linkline was later marketed as Freefone and Lo-Call.

The Martlesham switched star cable TV and interactive services network was introduced in Westminster.

British Telecom placed an order for around £100 million in March for an AXE 10 (System Y) digital switching system to provide a competitive alternative to System X. The contract was awarded through Thorn Ericsson.

The first AXE 10 exchange was opened the following year at Sevenoaks. As well as being an alternative to System X, introduction of AXE 10 exchanges into the network allowed the modernisation programme of the network to be speeded up. AXE 10 exchanges provided the same range of extra facilities known as Star Services (later known as Select Services) as Systems X, including code calling, repeat last call, three way calling
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Re: Itemised phone bills
« Reply #56 on: March 04, 2012, 02:14:PM »
http://www.britishtelephones.com/histuk.htm
Not an "official site" but good info
a better overview of the whole industry I thought
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« Reply #57 on: March 04, 2012, 02:17:PM »
http://www.britishtelephones.com/histuk.htm
Not an "official site" but good info
a better overview of the whole industry I thought


Thank you for this, Tony

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Re: Itemised phone bills
« Reply #58 on: March 04, 2012, 02:21:PM »
Choc, I don't for one minute deny that important documents are being held under pii that may help the defence. However, itemised billing simply isn't one of them as they simply do not exist in the form you believe. Now,MT states that the telephones were being tapped. That will be the only way to itemise the calls, however they will not be bills. That theory is now dead in the water

No, it is not, the itemised billing exists...

Police had means of obtaining these itemised bills...
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« Reply #59 on: March 04, 2012, 02:24:PM »
It seems clear to me. BT did not have the technology with system X to produce itemised bills,that why they had call advise via an operator.System Y was developed with itemised calls as a requirement to subsequently bill. hence hey dropped X in favor of Y and dont run the two systems side by side. i'm sure X was cutting edge in its day but this was the era when you purchaced a computor from the shop,took it out of the box at home and it was obsolete...
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