Suspicious death of DCI Jones - motives for murder?

[Chochokeira]

choc, I dint normally sleep in the afternoon and remember awaking at 9.30 am yesterday, so i wasn't tired... also "tolerant and respectful"... you earn respect, mike didn't do himself with his foul mouth tirade of abuse toward me for pointing out the truth.I would think everyone deserves to be shown the truth, don't you agree. I don't take the piss out of MT for the mystry meetings.I just take issue with obviously misleading information that is easy to spot. He's changed his stance on the photo's in question,don't keep dragging it up. Also,mine and Andrea's post were both at 3.58 so it's pretty obvious I'm not replying to it.

Hi Tonyb,

I think some of the questions you ask raise important issues that require addressing. I'm glad that you raise these issues. My problem is with the manner with which you raise your points. You tend to come across as quite hostile to Mike. I would accept that Mike is hostile to you at times, but from where I'm sitting, it looks to me as though Mike is responding in kind to your initial hostility towards him. I feel that Mike is due the same kind of respect and tolerance that we expect for ourselves, plus a little more because he's the forum owner. I want to read your points, but I just wish you would raise them in a kinder manner, that's all.

[grahameb]

So, do you accept that a silencer was found that had Sheila's blood in it?

I think you misinterpreted what Mike wrote? He used the words "attributed to".

[grahameb]

I believe that a silencer may have been  fitted to the barrel of the gun that fired the non fatal shot to the side of Sheila's neck (downstairs) and I know that DS 'Stan' Jones took possession of this silencer (SBJ/1) at the scene that morning along with three other exhibits bearing his identifying mark of SBJ/4, SBJ/3 and SBJ/2 (under the SC/688/85 investigation), yes...

Although I am not 100% sure that Sheila's blood got inside that (1) silencer at that time, I still believe very strongly that the small flek of Sheila's blood could have been forced into the silencer during the mishandling of the rifle and silencer by DI Cook, PC Whiddon and the ballistic expert, MDF, in particular during the unofficial test fire of the rifle and silencer (1)...

I don't believe that this happened at all. There was no mention of a silencer as being very significant until the relatives allegedly found it in the gun cupboard.

[mike tesko]

I don't believe that this happened at all. There was no mention of a silencer as being very significant until the relatives allegedly found it in the gun cupboard.

I am 100% certain that police took possession of Pargeters silencer (1) from the scene and that it had got animals bloods in and on it...

[grahameb]

I am 100% certain that police took possession of Pargeters silencer (1) from the scene and that it had got animals bloods in and on it...

Animals blood perhaps? But not Sheila's blood?

[mike tesko]

Animals blood perhaps? But not Sheila's blood?

Yes, animals blood, that is what I think can be seen on the face of the silencers end cap in the general examination record, dated, 13th August 1985, and the pictures which DI Cook took on 29th august...

[tonyb]

Hi Tonyb,

I think some of the questions you ask raise important issues that require addressing. I'm glad that you raise these issues. My problem is with the manner with which you raise your points. You tend to come across as quite hostile to Mike. I would accept that Mike is hostile to you at times, but from where I'm sitting, it looks to me as though Mike is responding in kind to your initial hostility towards him. I feel that Mike is due the same kind of respect and tolerance that we expect for ourselves, plus a little more because he's the forum owner. I want to read your points, but I just wish you would raise them in a kinder manner, that's all.

Sorry choc,just back in."initial hostility"? Sorry choc, if I seem hostile in questioning MT it is only after he's referred to me as a fucking moronic scumbag clown. I'll try not to offend him in future. I have never used offensive language against MT and have PM'd him messages of support on a few occasions I thought warranted it.but as I've said Mike and myself have kissed and made up so you need not trouble yourself any further,I'm thick skinned and he's called me worse in the past.

[Reader]

The reference to the report reads "82/17 Typed exerpt from a report re DCI Jones, The Sound Moderator and Scenes of Crime". Ignore the incorrect spelling of "excerpt". The word "re" means "regarding", so it seems the excerpt was about DCI Jones, not necessarily written by DCI Jones. If the report was produced shortly after DCI Jones was removed from the enquiry, it was possibly written by (or for) Jim Kenneally or Mick Ainsley.

[mike tesko]

The reference to the report reads "82/17 Typed exerpt from a report re DCI Jones, The Sound Moderator and Scenes of Crime". Ignore the incorrect spelling of "excerpt". The word "re" means "regarding", so it seems the excerpt was about DCI Jones, not necessarily written by DCI Jones. If the report was produced shortly after DCI Jones was removed from the enquiry, it was possibly written by (or for) Jim Kenneally or Mick Ainsley.

Why would DCI Jones or somebody else be writing a report re the silencer and scenes of crime, if officially he had no involvement with the silencer? Unless, unofficially he did...

[grahameb]

Now I may well be wrong on this. But the farmers I have seen when they are shooting rabbits use a shotgun? I don't know any of them who'd ponce around with a .22 sporting rifle? The reason being that you would rarely have to go up to the animal to put it out of its misery.
They are counted by farmers as a pest. They are quickly dispatched and then taken up to one of the butchers in Maldon for resale. Killing rabbits is not a sport it's a necessity with farmers.
And I can't see any of them buggering about with useless silencers which only serve to make the gun more unwealdy.

[Chochokeira]

Sorry choc,just back in."initial hostility"? Sorry choc, if I seem hostile in questioning MT it is only after he's referred to me as a fucking moronic scumbag clown. I'll try not to offend him in future. I have never used offensive language against MT and have PM'd him messages of support on a few occasions I thought warranted it.but as I've said Mike and myself have kissed and made up so you need not trouble yourself any further,I'm thick skinned and he's called me worse in the past.

Well done, Tonyb! You're not so bad after all   :D

[ngb1066]

Now I may well be wrong on this. But the farmers I have seen when they are shooting rabbits use a shotgun? I don't know any of them who'd ponce around with a .22 sporting rifle? The reason being that you would rarely have to go up to the animal to put it out of its misery.
They are counted by farmers as a pest. They are quickly dispatched and then taken up to one of the butchers in Maldon for resale. Killing rabbits is not a sport it's a necessity with farmers.
And I can't see any of them buggering about with useless silencers which only serve to make the gun more unwealdy.

Grahame

Farmers use either a shotgun or a rimfire rifle (usually a .22) to kill rabbits.  When lamping at night a rifle is more commonly used.  When the rabbits are to be resold for food rifle shot rabbits are preferred.  The advantage of the rifle is longer range, a cleaner kill and less noise.  The cartridges are also much cheaper.

[Buddy]

Now I may well be wrong on this. But the farmers I have seen when they are shooting rabbits use a shotgun? I don't know any of them who'd ponce around with a .22 sporting rifle? The reason being that you would rarely have to go up to the animal to put it out of its misery.
They are counted by farmers as a pest. They are quickly dispatched and then taken up to one of the butchers in Maldon for resale. Killing rabbits is not a sport it's a necessity with farmers.
And I can't see any of them buggering about with useless silencers which only serve to make the gun more unwealdy.

.22 rifles are used quite a lot Grahame. The use of a silencer is so it doesn't panic other rabbits.
Once you fire a shotgun the noise scares the rabbits, and you would be unlikely to see another rabbit for some time.
If a rabbit is hit by a hollow point round, it unlikely that there would be a need to finish it off.

[Buddy]

Sorry neil. Cross posted

[grahameb]

If a rabbit is hit by a hollow point round, it unlikely that there would be a need to finish it off.

Except apparently in the case of the explanation of rabbit's blood on the silencer?