Suspicious death of DCI Jones - motives for murder?

[mike tesko]

Relatives did not find silencer (1) with the blood attributed to Sheila inside it, relatives found the other silencer (2) which eventually had the paint from the aga once the aga was deliberately scratched by use of silencer (2) on 12th September 1985, as per the crime scene photographs, taken by PC Bird, whilst DI 'Ron' Cook was in attendance at the scene...

How did 'Ron' Cook end up in possession of silencer (2) to enable him to deliberately mark the aga at the scene on 12th September 1985, if that was the same silencer (2) which PC Whiddon had taken from desk of 'Taff' Jones, and which he had screwed onto the barrel of the gun? 'Ron' Cook could not have had the other silencer (1) since by 12th September 1985, when the additional marks were made on the aga surround, that silencer (1) had already been at the lab' since and from 30th August 1985?

If Cook didn't have silencer (10 to enable him to deliberately mark the aga surround on 12th September 1985, which silencer did he actually have and where did he get it from?

Silencer (2), of course...

[vidvic]

Relatives did not find silencer (1) with the blood attributed to Sheila inside it, relatives found the other silencer (2) which eventually had the paint from the aga once the aga was deliberately scratched by use of silencer (2) on 12th September 1985, as per the crime scene photographs, taken by PC Bird, whilst DI 'Ron' Cook was in attendance at the scene...

So, do you accept that a silencer was found that had Sheila's blood in it?

[mike tesko]

Mike I had no beef about that,just you saying it WAS a picture of him screwing together the two items before 28(?)sept. Besides as Choc points out,the picture is off topic?

You did right to point out that anomaly, but it doesn't prove that PC Whiddon did not do what Ewen Smiths informant said he did, or where the second silencer had been kept for all that length of time, or even if 'Taff' used it as a paper weight or not? For what its worth, I have been assured by my informant that once PC Whiddon screwed the silencer onto the barrel of the gun, photographs were taken of that event, although I myself have not yet set eyes upon such a photograph. Now, you can choose to ignore what I am saying or not, but I can assure you that I have asked my informant on two specific occasions to show me a photograph of that event, but to date he has resisted producing it for my benefit telling me that there exist other pictures which depict what PC Whiddon had done, and what he did, and that if I was desperate to make any point about it, I should rely on those. This was the reason behind why I posted those pictures along with what I said, and I am not bothered if you and nobody else believes what I am saying, its the truth as far as I am concerned, and i will stick to that explanation, until my death...

[mike tesko]

So, do you accept that a silencer was found that had Sheila's blood in it?

I believe that a silencer may have been  fitted to the barrel of the gun that fired the non fatal shot to the side of Sheila's neck (downstairs) and I know that DS 'Stan' Jones took possession of this silencer (SBJ/1) at the scene that morning along with three other exhibits bearing his identifying mark of SBJ/4, SBJ/3 and SBJ/2 (under the SC/688/85 investigation), yes...

Although I am not 100% sure that Sheila's blood got inside that (1) silencer at that time, I still believe very strongly that the small flek of Sheila's blood could have been forced into the silencer during the mishandling of the rifle and silencer by DI Cook, PC Whiddon and the ballistic expert, MDF, in particular during the unofficial test fire of the rifle and silencer (1)...

[tonyb]

Tonyb,

1.   What the data you've posted was meant to show was not clarified.

2.   The data was not properly attributed as all data posted here should be, or the lack
      of attribution should be explained.

3.   This data, of the incidence of accidents due to falls from ladders does not support
       your claim that there were numerous deaths due to falls form ladders in the 80s.

4.   Deaths due to falls from ladders were and are quite rare.

5.   When faced with the real data of the tiny incidence of deaths from ladder falls, which
      undermines your case, you bluster that it's wrong without providing any alternative
      data.

6.   You've basically done exactly what you repeatedly accuse Mike of doing.

I'm not my intention to have a go at you about this. You were tired when you posted these figures, just as I would think Mike is often tired when he posts.

What I am saying is that we all make mistakes, even you, so please be a little more tolerant and respectful when you take issue with Mike's claims.

choc, I dint normally sleep in the afternoon and remember awaking at 9.30 am yesterday, so i wasn't tired... also "tolerant and respectful"... you earn respect, mike didn't do himself with his foul mouth tirade of abuse toward me for pointing out the truth.I would think everyone deserves to be shown the truth, don't you agree. I don't take the piss out of MT for the mystry meetings.I just take issue with obviously misleading information that is easy to spot. He's changed his stance on the photo's in question,don't keep dragging it up. Also,mine and Andrea's post were both at 3.58 so it's pretty obvious I'm not replying to it.

[vidvic]

I believe that a silencer may have been  fitted to the barrel of the gun that fired the non fatal shot to the side of Sheila's neck (downstairs) and I know that DS 'Stan' Jones took possession of this silencer (SBJ/1) at the scene that morning along with three other exhibits bearing his identifying mark of SBJ/4, SBJ/3 and SBJ/2 (under the SC/688/85 investigation), yes...

Although I am not 100% sure that Sheila's blood got inside that (1) silencer at that time, I still believe very strongly that the small flek of Sheila's blood could have been forced into the silencer during the mishandling of the rifle and silencer by DI Cook, PC Whiddon and the ballistic expert, MDF, in particular during the unofficial test fire of the rifle and silencer (1)...

So if this was a different silencer, where was it found?
Why would Sheila have removed it before the final shot?
Why does Jeremy not accept this theory?
If it could be proved that this was the same silencer that the relatives found then would you agree it highly unlikely that Sheila put it there?

[Buddy]

So, do you accept that a silencer was found that had Sheila's blood in it?

Which silencer are you refering to Vic?  You see I still think that the Pargeter silencer was still at the house.
One of the silencers was recovered by the police on the day of the murders, and taken away.
There is no doubt in my mind that there were two silencers at the farm.
Pargeter said that JB was no slouch when it came to shootinmg, and he was a good shot.
He also said that JB showed no interest in guns. Now it is one or the other. Pargeter said that JB was only interested in the 22 pellet gun, Quite a step up to a .22 IMO.
Without naming names, someone was lying their arse off.IMO JB was the scape goat.
If I was a cop I would look very carefully at the statements of Pargenter, as I truly think he is the weak link in this.

[mike tesko]

So if this was a different silencer, where was it found?
Why would Sheila have removed it before the final shot?
Why does Jeremy not accept this theory?
If it could be proved that this was the same silencer that the relatives found then would you agree it highly unlikely that Sheila put it there?

I think silencer (1) was Pargeters silencer, and that the blood found upon its end cap and inside was primarily animals blood...

[HMEssex]

I don't know if it was an accident or not, Cliff. What I do know is that the PII secrecy order slapped on the Coroner's report of Taff Jones' death is odd and might lead any reasonable person to wonder if there may have been more to this death than met the eye.

Just to set the cat among the pigeons, so to speak, this topic was discussed way back in July 11 in the thread 'The odds of dying by falling off a stepladder'. 

On there it says Taff Jones was 35 when he died and he fell from at step-ladder.

I guess a step-ladder can be any height, but I often assummed he was up really high to fall and break his neck.

[Buddy]

Just to set the cat among the pigeons, so to speak, this topic was discussed way back in July 11 in the thread 'The odds of dying by falling off a stepladder'. 

On there it says Taff Jones was 35 when he died and he fell from at step-ladder.

I guess a step-ladder can be any height, but I often assummed he was up really high to fall and break his neck.

Ifg he was 35 HM he had a hard life. Mind you if his wife was like mine he could have been in his twenties.

[mike tesko]

DS 'Stan' Jones took possession of silencer (1) from the scene along with three other exhibits, all marked SBJ/4, SBJ/3, SBJ/2 and SBJ/1, and Pargeters silencer (1) was that silencer. DCI 'Taff' Jones knew all about the find of Pargeters silencer (1) and the other DS Jones exhibits (SBJ/4, SBJ/3 and SBJ/2). He knew this was the silencer (1) which had been sent to the lab' on 13th August 1985, and he knew all about DI 'Ron' Cooks experiments and dealings with that silencer (1) during that 18 day or so period - he knew it was a different silencer to the one found by the relatives, and 'Taff' Jones did not like the relatives, he did not trust them, and that was one of the reasons why he held onto the second silencer (2) which he kept on his desk until PC Whiddon came along, and so on, and so forth...

[HMEssex]

Ifg he was 35 HM he had a hard life. Mind you if his wife was like mine he could have been in his twenties.

Now, now, Buddy! 

[mike tesko]

Whilst ever the investigation (SC/688/85) was one of four murders and a suicide, under leadership of DCI 'Taff' Jones, the relatives attempts to influence the investigation were relatively ignored and put on the back burner, until the nature of the investigation changed (SC/786/85) into five murders with DCS 'Mick' Ainsley at the helm - from that point on he was their best friend and did everything he could to accommodate everything they said and did...

So close were the relatives and DCS Ainsley that upon his retirement they offered him a job as security advisor at Osea Road caravan park, a business which Jeremy had legitimate shares and interests in...

[Buddy]

Now, now, Buddy! 

I will delete this later. She is out at the moment, so I am feeling confident.
Wait a minute, I hear a car! Oh f***. Got to put the kettle on.

[mike tesko]

Whilst ever the investigation (SC/688/85) was one of four murders and a suicide, under leadership of DCI 'Taff' Jones, the relatives attempts to influence the investigation were relatively ignored and put on the back burner, until the nature of the investigation changed (SC/786/85) into five murders with DCS 'Mick' Ainsley at the helm - from that point on he was their best friend and did everything he could to accommodate everything they said and did...

So close were the relatives and DCS Ainsley that upon his retirement they offered him a job as security advisor at Osea Road caravan park, a business which Jeremy had legitimate shares and interests in...

What DCI 'Taff' Jones knew about the two silencers was a threat to the case which DCS Ainsley and the relatives were bringing against Jeremy...