Suspicious death of DCI Jones - motives for murder?

[Buddy]

To be honest Keira I believe this was a tragic accident, and not part of a conspriracy.
It would be nice to think that, but IMO it is a step too far.

[tonyb]

Yes, but this part of the debate concerns the incidence of deaths resulting from falls from ladders, not the incidence of accidents. Taff didn't merely have a serious accident, he died. I have a shown that the incidence of deaths from ladder falls is tiny, that we are more likely to die as a result of falling out of bed than we are due to falling off a ladder.

like i said i found and posted in 5, not 50 minutes. I,however ,thank you for taking the time to do the required research. it didnt alter the debate that myself and mike were having at the time which was about his incorrect statement regards the 2 widden photo's.however,MT seems to agree they were produced post conviction. I await conformation however he doesn't regard me as a moronic,idiotic fucking scumbag clown who can piss off....

[campion]

        I get censored if I mention anything concerning waterfowl !!!!

[mike tesko]

we still friends Mike?....

yeah...

[Chochokeira]

Tonyb,

1.   What the data you've posted was meant to show was not clarified.

2.   The data was not properly attributed as all data posted here should be, or the lack
      of attribution should be explained.

3.   This data, of the incidence of accidents due to falls from ladders does not support
       your claim that there were numerous deaths due to falls form ladders in the 80s.

4.   Deaths due to falls from ladders were and are quite rare.

5.   When faced with the real data of the tiny incidence of deaths from ladder falls, which
      undermines your case, you bluster that it's wrong without providing any alternative
      data.

6.   You've basically done exactly what you repeatedly accuse Mike of doing.

I'm not my intention to have a go at you about this. You were tired when you posted these figures, just as I would think Mike is often tired when he posts.

What I am saying is that we all make mistakes, even you, so please be a little more tolerant and respectful when you take issue with Mike's claims.

[Buddy]

        I get censored if I mention anything concerning waterfowl !!!!

I was going to reply to that one Campion, but I would be censored also.
Methinks some are not ofay with watersport

[Chochokeira]

like i said i found and posted in 5, not 50 minutes. I,however ,thank you for taking the time to do the required research. it didnt alter the debate that myself and mike were having at the time which was about his incorrect statement regards the 2 widden photo's.however,MT seems to agree they were produced post conviction. I await conformation however he doesn't regard me as a moronic,idiotic fucking scumbag clown who can piss off....

Thank you for you reply. The post of yours that I commented on was your post in respect of this topic:

"Suspicious death of DCI Jones - motives for murder?"

It's hardly my fault if you are going off topic in this thread with a debate about something else altogether, is it?

[Chochokeira]

To be honest Keira I believe this was a tragic accident, and not part of a conspriracy.
It would be nice to think that, but IMO it is a step too far.

I don't know if it was an accident or not, Cliff. What I do know is that the PII secrecy order slapped on the Coroner's report of Taff Jones' death is odd and might lead any reasonable person to wonder if there may have been more to this death than met the eye.

[tonyb]

Thank you for you reply. The post of yours that I commented on was your post in respect of this topic:

"Suspicious death of DCI Jones - motives for murder?"

It's hardly my fault if you are going off topic in this thread with a debate about something else altogether, is it?

i didnt go off topic. MT posted the pictures that were incorrectly discribed Not me,I just objected to them.I also didnt say 900 odd people had died falling from a ladder in 1986, and didn't argue that less than 20 died in whatever year you reaserched for 50 mins.

[Buddy]

I don't know if it was an accident or not, Cliff. What I do know is that the PII secrecy order slapped on the Coroner's report of Taff Jones' death is odd and might lead any reasonable person to wonder if there may have been more to this death than met the eye.

I can see where you are coming from Keira. I think it may be covered by PII because of Taffs family feelings, which I think is understandable.

[tonyb]

Tonyb,

1.   What the data you've posted was meant to show was not clarified.

2.   The data was not properly attributed as all data posted here should be, or the lack
      of attribution should be explained.

3.   This data, of the incidence of accidents due to falls from ladders does not support
       your claim that there were numerous deaths due to falls form ladders in the 80s.

4.   Deaths due to falls from ladders were and are quite rare.

5.   When faced with the real data of the tiny incidence of deaths from ladder falls, which
      undermines your case, you bluster that it's wrong without providing any alternative
      data.

6.   You've basically done exactly what you repeatedly accuse Mike of doing.

I'm not my intention to have a go at you about this. You were tired when you posted these figures, just as I would think Mike is often tired when he posts.

What I am saying is that we all make mistakes, even you, so please be a little more tolerant and respectful when you take issue with Mike's claims.

i know see how you have got confused with my post regards the rospa figures.It is posted directly below andreas post who is quoteing a previous post of mine.Andrea talks of death from falling,I talk of death and serious injury.... that explains it i hope. Of course,rospa's figures only relate to reported injury so i assume there are many minor accidents that are not reported

[mike tesko]

i didnt go off topic. MT posted the pictures that were incorrectly discribed Not me,I just objected to them.I also didnt say 900 odd people had died falling from a ladder in 1986, and didn't argue that less than 20 died in whatever year you reaserched for 50 mins.

Information about PC Whiddon going along to 'Taff' Jones desk and taking possession of the silencer and going along to the force armoury to see if it screwed onto the anshulz rifle barrel, is absolutely true and accurate, why doesn't somebody contact him and ask him about it?

[mike tesko]

Information about PC Whiddon going along to 'Taff' Jones desk and taking possession of the silencer and going along to the force armoury to see if it screwed onto the anshulz rifle barrel, is absolutely true and accurate, why doesn't somebody contact him and ask him about it?

Photograph of PC Whiddon screwing silencer (2) onto barrel of gun, demonstrates exactly what he did at the material time, which if true is a significant piece of evidence because police were not supposed to have possession of any silencer by that stage, since the other (1) which had the blood attributed to Sheila, had been sent to the lab' on 30th August 1985...

[mike tesko]

Photograph of PC Whiddon screwing silencer (2) onto barrel of gun, demonstrates exactly what he did at the material time, which if true is a significant piece of evidence because police were not supposed to have possession of any silencer by that stage, since the other (1) which had the blood attributed to Sheila, had been sent to the lab' on 30th August 1985...

Relatives did not find silencer (1) with the blood attributed to Sheila inside it, relatives found the other silencer (2) which eventually had the paint from the aga once the aga was deliberately scratched by use of silencer (2) on 12th September 1985, as per the crime scene photographs, taken by PC Bird, whilst DI 'Ron' Cook was in attendance at the scene...

[tonyb]

Photograph of PC Whiddon screwing silencer (2) onto barrel of gun, demonstrates exactly what he did at the material time, which if true is a significant piece of evidence because police were not supposed to have possession of any silencer by that stage, since the other (1) which had the blood attributed to Sheila, had been sent to the lab' on 30th August 1985...

Mike I had no beef about that,just you saying it WAS a picture of him screwing together the two items before 28(?)sept. Besides as Choc points out,the picture is off topic?