Suspicious death of DCI Jones - motives for murder?

[mike tesko]

You see. That's the answer to any questions relating to this photo. It's a press photo with example firearm & silencer Judge."are you sure officer Widdon"
Widdon."certainly your honour,otherwise there would be an exhibit label"

Why would the silencer which was being used as a paper weight on DCI 'Taff' Jones desk, have an exhibit label attached to it?

[mike tesko]

Why would the silencer which was being used as a paper weight on DCI 'Taff' Jones desk, have an exhibit label attached to it?

If it had got an exhibit label attached to it, it wouldn't have been on 'Taff' Jones desk, and he would not have been using it as a paper weight...

[tonyb]

Therefore...

the photographs of PC Whiddon screwing the aforementioned silencer onto the barrel of the rifle must have been taken on a date prior to or on 20th September 1985:-

Mike,you cannot however link this photo to any silencer in the case. Can you not see that? If there is no label you cannot prove it and Widdon would not of checked they fitted together whilst posing for a photo.

[tonyb]

If it had got an exhibit label attached to it, it wouldn't have been on 'Taff' Jones desk, and he would not have been using it as a paper weight...

So we have a piece of evidence,used as a paper weight. Taff should of entered it as Evidence. Do you think he may have been removed from the case because of incompetent handling of evidence?

[mike tesko]

Mike,you cannot however link this photo to any silencer in the case. Can you not see that? If there is no label you cannot prove it and Widdon would not of checked they fitted together whilst posing for a photo.

You don't know that...

But what we now know is that Whiddon did go along to 'Taff' Jones desk at Witham police station, and he did take possession of that silencer and he did take it along to the force armoury and he did screw it onto the barrel of the gun, and because he did that he put the silencer at risk of being contaminated with some of Sheila's blood. For some as yet unexplained reason, PC Whiddon has omitted these activities so that the court could be deceived about the integrity of the silencer evidence, and in particular how Sheila's blood could have got into the silencer?

[mike tesko]

So we have a piece of evidence,used as a paper weight. Taff should of entered it as Evidence. Do you think he may have been removed from the case because of incompetent handling of evidence?

I am only reporting what Ewen Smiths informant told him in 2003, but I should think it must be obvious why 'Taff' Jones, treated this (2) silencer as he did, by keeping it on his desk at Witham police station and using it as a paper weight? It was obvious that he strongly suspected the relatives of trying to pin these murders on Jeremy, and that the introduction of the silencer was part of that attempt to pin the blame on him, so that must have been the reason why DCI Jones did what he did with that (2) silencer. Now you and everybody else can criticize 'Taff' Jones all you want to, perhaps he didn't treat that silencer as he should have done, but at the end of the day it was the silencer which the relatives introduced into the investigation, and it was not at the lab' on the occasion when the ballistic expert said he found that crucial flake of blood inside it, which allowed the blood expert (John Hayward) to analyse it as belonging exclusive, and uniquely to Sheila...

Therefore, the relatives did not find a silencer in the gun cupboard which had Sheila's blood inside it...

That is the most significant feature which comes out of this escapade...

[tonyb]

You don't know that...

But what we now know is that Whiddon did go along to 'Taff' Jones desk at Witham police station, and he did take possession of that silencer and he did take it along to the force armoury and he did screw it onto the barrel of the gun, and because he did that he put the silencer at risk of being contaminated with some of Sheila's blood. For some as yet unexplained reason, PC Whiddon has omitted these activities so that the court could be deceived about the integrity of the silencer evidence, and in particular how Sheila's blood could have got into the silencer?

So why didn't Taff introduce the paperweight silencer as evidence instead of leaving it on his desk

[mike tesko]

Look...

Ewen Smiths informant told him what he told him, in 2003, and my informant has told me recently that Sheila's blood was not found inside the silencer found by the relatives in the gun cupboard, he has told me that blood from Sheila was originally attributed to one silencer, and paint from the aga attributed to the other, and that this evidence was merged together into the same silencer by a process of falsification...

Now...

I'm not particularly bothered if you believe what Ewen Smith's informant told him, or what my informant told me, or both, I am only reporting the facts, as told to him in 2003, and told to me recently...

[mike tesko]

So why didn't Taff introduce the paperweight silencer as evidence instead of leaving it on his desk

He obviously thought that it was evidence of little or no value, because the relatives were hell bent at that stage of pining the blame for the shootings on Jeremy, and he knew that no such silencer was present inside the gun cupboard on the morning of 7th August 1985, because his officers had looked in there on the morning of 7th August 1985. I should think the real reason why he kept that (2) silencer on his desk as he did, was because he thought the relatives were trying to frame Jeremy for the murders by reliance upon it. Perhaps the answer to this question you raise is contained in the report, which has very recently been identified?

[mike tesko]

He obviously thought that it was evidence of little or no value, because the relatives were hell bent at that stage of pining the blame for the shootings on Jeremy, and he knew that no such silencer was present inside the gun cupboard on the morning of 7th August 1985, because his officers had looked in there on the morning of 7th August 1985. I should think the real reason why he kept that (2) silencer on his desk as he did, was because he thought the relatives were trying to frame Jeremy for the murders by reliance upon it. Perhaps the answer to this question you raise is contained in the report, which has very recently been identified?

'Taff' had literally thrown the relatives out of Witham police station around the time the silencer came into 'Taff' Jones possession, so he had a low opinion of the relatives and their beliefs at that time...

[mike tesko]

Rightly, or wrongly, I think 'Taff' Jones has been proven to be correct in his opinion of the relatives, because if what Ewen Smiths informant told him in 2003, and what my informant has told me recently is true, then the silencer evidence which was introduced primarily by the relatives and DS 'Stan' Jones, has been falsified...

[tonyb]

mike. I don't think you are absorbing my posts on this thread and it seems to be winding you up! I don't disagree with the blood transfer theory you forward, just the presentation of the two Photos as you describe, when they obviously are not taken as or when you suggest. They are posed photos for the press. To describe them as anything else is simply untrue IMO. As we are not getting any where with this exchange I think we'll difer on this one mike.

[mike tesko]

Rightly, or wrongly, I think 'Taff' Jones has been proven to be correct in his opinion of the relatives, because if what Ewen Smiths informant told him in 2003, and what my informant has told me recently is true, then the silencer evidence which was introduced primarily by the relatives and DS 'Stan' Jones, has been falsified...

FACT - blood which has been attributed to Sheila, was not found inside the same silencer upon which was found paint from the aga, yet at the time of trial it was the prosecutions case that blood from Sheila and paint from the aga was found inside and upon the same silencer, but newly discovered evidence confirms that this could not possibly have been the case, blood from Sheila was attributed to one silencer (1) and paint from the aga to the other(2)...

As a result of this, the convictions can no longer be sustained, since these convictions were secured by a reliance upon falsified evidence of blood and paint and a couple of silencers, not one...

[tonyb]

He obviously thought that it was evidence of little or no value, because the relatives were hell bent at that stage of pining the blame for the shootings on Jeremy, and he knew that no such silencer was present inside the gun cupboard on the morning of 7th August 1985, because his officers had looked in there on the morning of 7th August 1985. I should think the real reason why he kept that (2) silencer on his desk as he did, was because he thought the relatives were trying to frame Jeremy for the murders by reliance upon it. Perhaps the answer to this question you raise is contained in the report, which has very recently been identified?

Sorry. Had to reply
"little or no value"
Just shows how poor a copper he was
2 silencers officially tagged
 Explain that one....

[tonyb]

"explain that one" I refer that to the prosecution not you Mike. It looked a little ambitious on re reading it. Sorry