significance of long delay between both shots...

[Newbury1]

From Choc - "Others have compellingly argued that those poor little boys were murdered with a frenzied arc of shots and in a manner which suggests overkill - the sort of overkill that parents who kill their children indulge in."

Frenzied and arc don't go together IMO.

It was either frenzied or arc.

In a frenzied attack I would expect shots all over the head and / or body.

The arc to me indicates a controlled act, and has been referred to months ago on the forum as a more execution style of shooting!

And the term "overkill" can apply to anyone wanting to make sure death was quick and final.

[Hartley]

Again another post to make you look like a pompious buffoon.

Yes you've done a good job there.  Unfortunately in a weeks time you will be making a post telling everybody how much you respect me. 

[Roch]

some 10 months ago...

Hartley, separate issue just out of interest.  Has your own view of the case changed at all over the last 10 months?  I came across an old post of your from April recently.  The tone seemed softer and less committed. 

[Hartley]

From Choc - "Others have compellingly argued that those poor little boys were murdered with a frenzied arc of shots and in a manner which suggests overkill - the sort of overkill that parents who kill their children indulge in."

Frenzied and arc don't go together IMO.

It was either frenzied or arc.

In a frenzied attack I would expect shots all over the head and / or body.

The arc to me indicates a controlled act, and has been referred to months ago on the forum as a more execution style of shooting!

And the term "overkill" can apply to anyone wanting to make sure death was quick and final.

You've said with clarity what I was trying (miserably) to put across. 

[Buddy]

Yes you've done a good job there.  Unfortunately in a weeks time you will be making a post telling everybody how much you respect me. 

I did once.

[Hartley]

Hartley, separate issue just out of interest.  Has your own view of the case changed at all over the last 10 months?  I came across an old post of your from April recently.  The tone seemed softer and less committed.

Not really, I don't think I was singled out and challenged as often and rudely back then. I think that is all it is.

[Newbury1]

You've said with clarity what I was trying (miserably) to put across. 

I have my moments 

[Buddy]

Not really, I don't think I was singled out and challenged as often and rudely back then. I think that is all it is.
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You have a more subtle way to be rude Hartley, but non theless are still rude.

[Hartley]

Not really, I don't think I was singled out and challenged as often and rudely back then. I think that is all it is.

I was listening to a song the other day which I think sums up this forum beautifully at times. I'm aiming this at myself but applies to many others on here, you need to listen to the words though.

A lack of Understanding - By the Vaccines
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYLpDeSxBac

Strangely a song called Wetsuit is later on the album. 

[Roch]

Not really, I don't think I was singled out and challenged as often and rudely back then. I think that is all it is.

I think I picked the wrong day to ask you.  Good tune nonetheless.  I'm not familiar with the group but have heard of them.

[Roch]

You have a more subtle way to be rude Hartley, but nontheless are still rude.

Harters, Buddy does have a point here to some extent.  You are the lone voice at times, so you do take a bit of flak.  But you can also get a few barbed digs in your self.

[ngb1066]

From Choc - "Others have compellingly argued that those poor little boys were murdered with a frenzied arc of shots and in a manner which suggests overkill - the sort of overkill that parents who kill their children indulge in."

Frenzied and arc don't go together IMO.

It was either frenzied or arc.

In a frenzied attack I would expect shots all over the head and / or body.

The arc to me indicates a controlled act, and has been referred to months ago on the forum as a more execution style of shooting!And the term "overkill" can apply to anyone wanting to make sure death was quick and final.

I disagree, for the reasons I posted months ago.    The movement of the rifle barrel in an arc is the natural way in which it would tend to move in the hands of someone inexperienced firing shots in rapid succession.

The number of shots fired in the twins' bedroom was far more than necessary to ensure death.  They were both asleep (fortunately) and were shot in the head at point blank range.  A single shot each would have been sufficient, two at most would have been used in an "execution style" killing.  In my opinion the way in which the twins were shot can only be described as frenzied overkill.

[Newbury1]

I disagree, for the reasons I posted months ago.    The movement of the rifle barrel in an arc is the natural way in which it would tend to move in the hands of someone inexperienced firing shots in rapid succession.

The number of shots fired in the twins' bedroom was far more than necessary to ensure death.  They were both asleep (fortunately) and were shot in the head at point blank range.  A single shot each would have been sufficient, two at most would have been used in an "execution style" killing.  In my opinion the way in which the twins were shot can only be described as frenzied overkill.

okay, but I think this is a moment when we can agree to disagree on this point as I believe neither of us are experts in execution style or frenzied killings - I hope!

But whilst making that last comment has "an expert" ever commented on this subject??

[grahameb]

Also, there is no attribution for this report that I can see. Where does the report come from - a red top such as the much sued Sun, a former editor of which admits he wanted sensational headlines at any price?

Oh yes. That well proven liar Kelvin Mackenzie. The same liar who claimed Jeremy tried to sell him indecent photos of his sister. Absolutely no proof whatsoever. Sensationalism.

[grahameb]

Hartley, I come from a line of conscientious objectors. I'm totally non-violent and totally opposed to violence. Yet if you attacked me with a home made knife, I'd rip your bl**dy head off.


I am of course speaking figuratively 

And in love of course.