you should all know this?

[Roch]

I'm still amazed that anybody could believe that Sheila died inside a time-frame feasible with Jeremy Bamber being inside the farmhouse.  Absolutely no chance in my opinion.  The pools of blood upon her throat (the ones suggested to be possible finger marks but viewed as wounds by Cavalli / Meloni) look very fresh.  They do not appear coagulated whatsoever.   I think it scandalous that Jeremy Bamber is still in prison even down to just this single photo.

Certain people have suggested that the bloodied pools are from police checking for signs of life (i.e. on a body that has been lain dead since the latest possible feasible time for Jeremy Bamber to have been inside the farmhouse).  When you also consider that in this very same scenario, the police would also have had to have been grouped outside a totally silent farmhouse for hours, it becomes even more ludicrous. 

Imagine it for a moment.  The police are outside a totally silent farmhouse for hours.  They then break in to a totally silent farmhouse to find everyone dead, including Sheila who has supposedly lain stock still with the rifle on top of her and a bible over her upper arm.  So they check her for signs of life and in the process they cause blood leakage.  Eventually they decide that photographs taken of her should be concealed, lest any person question the time of her death, purely because of the blood leakage caused by when they checked her for signs of life?

Isn't this exactly the same as the entry logs?  They had to be concealed purely because a police officer made a mistake when looking through the window just prior to the raid.

And people say I'm gullible?  :D

[mertol22]

I believe Sheilas body was still warm, the police really made a bad error by not storming the house upon arrival, lives could have been saved, Sheila could be no match for a firearms team or should not be, teargas could have been used.

[Buddy]

I don't disagree with what you have posted Roch, but it seems we have marched onward.
All the time I thought that sheila was responsible, and her alone.
We now have people coming out of the woodwork suggesting another scenario.
All these coded people!, who for  more than two decades have kept stum.
I am finding it increasingly difficult to believe anyone.
It looks like we are going to go full circle and accuse the wronged father, I hope not.
Smiffy has been great trying to anylise the various statements, and contrary to beliefs I have been following.[Hard work at times Smiffy], but honestly put, and worthy of mention.
I am still of the mind that Sheila was responsible. No lurking man, no cop, no wronged father, and no wronged lover.
To my way of thinking [rightly, or wrongly] we are on a fools errand.
Quite simply Sheila, or jeremy was responsible IMO.

[smiffy]

Anyway...

I think it is now possible to establish by reference to individual crime scene photographs, to show that a police officer attempted to prevent the flow of blood from the fatal entry wound on Sheila's neck at the time the police were moving the rifle about, onto and off Sheila Caffells body...

To illustrate the point even more...

Not only did a police officer apply his bloodied fingers to the neck of Sheila, at the time the rifle was being moved around upon and against Sheila's neck, but even after that police officer had applied his bloodied fingers to try and prevent blood from running profusely from the fatal entry wound, further amounts of blood continued to flow form it as evidence by reference to the following crime scene image:-

I shall refer to this crime scene photogroah (e)...

Sorry Mike.
I do not buy the stain pattern as being from fingermarks from a police officer. It appears to me as though transfer occured as the skinfolds on her neck area came together when her head was tipped forward ...after the second shot was fired. ie being moved around after death.

[Buddy]

I agree Smiffy.I also think that Sheila was moved a number of times.
The positioning of the rifle being but one instance.

[smiffy]

I agree Smiffy.I also think that Sheila was moved a number of times.
The positioning of the rifle being but one instance.

I am happy that Sheila could have killed the other 4 , so its only a question of who killed Sheila as it took more than 1 person to move her body about and more than 1 person to stage Ralph's body.

Oddly Ralph's position would have been impossible for him to get into on his own or to be put there by 1 person.

[Roch]

I don't disagree with what you have posted Roch, but it seems we have marched onward.
All the time I thought that sheila was responsible, and her alone.
We now have people coming out of the woodwork suggesting another scenario.
All these coded people!, who for  more than two decades have kept stum.
I am finding it increasingly difficult to believe anyone.
It looks like we are going to go full circle and accuse the wronged father, I hope not.
Smiffy has been great trying to anylise the various statements, and contrary to beliefs I have been following.[Hard work at times Smiffy], but honestly put, and worthy of mention.
I am still of the mind that Sheila was responsible. No lurking man, no cop, no wronged father, and no wronged lover.
To my way of thinking [rightly, or wrongly] we are on a fools errand.
Quite simply Sheila, or jeremy was responsible IMO.

Cliff, I've never been able to buy that reasoning.  I know it's based upon the sequence of phone calls and in particular, Jeremy Bamber's phone call to police.  But If there is no third party working an cahoots with Jeremy, then that must mean Jeremy is relying on police not being able to trace a call made from WHF to Head St.  I do not believe that police would not be able to trace such a call.  I have already given my reasons for it being impossible to have been Jeremy in person, imo. 

[Buddy]

F****s dave I am Buddy. I don,t quite follow you[ another senior moment].
Can you be blunt Dave and explain your reasoning. I am not here to take the wee, but I am finding it harder and harder to come to a conclusion.

[Roch]

F****s dave I am Buddy. I don,t quite follow you[ another senior moment].
Can you be blunt Dave and explain your reasoning. I am not here to take the wee, but I am finding it harder and harder to come to a conclusion.

Yes, to put it bluntly, Jeremy Bamber is out of the equation in my opinion.  The latest time frame he could have been within the farm carrying out the killings is not consistent with the death of Sheila Caffell.  The argument that Jeremy is in the frame because he is the one who phoned the police doesn't work for me.  It is based on the argument that no call took place from WHF to Goldhangar.  I do not believe that police were unable to trace whether a call had took place or not.  It was 1985 not 1895.  I do not believe that Jeremy Bamber relied upon the police being unable to trace whether or not a call had taken place from WHF to Goldhanger.

I do not believe the logs were concealed because one of the raid team nearly let a mass murderer off the hook simply by mistaking a male body for a female body.  etc.

[Buddy]

F****s dave I am Buddy. I don,t quite follow you[ another senior moment].
Can you be blunt Dave and explain your reasoning. I am not here to take the wee, but I am finding it harder and harder to come to a conclusion.

Yes, to put it bluntly, Jeremy Bamber is out of the equation in my opinion.  The latest time frame he could have been within the farm carrying out the killings is not consistent with the death of Sheila Caffell.  The argument that Jeremy is in the frame because he is the one who phoned the police doesn't work for me.  It is based on the argument that no call took place from WHF to Goldhangar.  I do not believe that police were unable to trace whether a call had took place or not.  It was 1985 not 1895.  I do not believe that Jeremy Bamber relied upon the police being unable to trace whether or not a call had taken place from WHF to Goldhanger.

I do not believe the logs were concealed because one of the raid team nearly let a mass murderer off the hook simply by mistaking a male body for a female body.  etc.

That will do for me mate

[mike tesko]

I agree that the timing of the phone call made by Ralph to Jeremy from whf to Jeremy's cottage at Head Street, cannot have any bearing on the timing of Sheila's death, because I do not think there is any evidence at all to show or suggest that Sheila died before the arrival of police and Jeremy at the scene. On the other hand, the timing of the call does have a direct bearing on when Ralph Bamber died in the kitchen at whf? But no evidence was called or exists to show or prove that Ralph Bamber had been shot and killed before the police and Jeremy arrived at the scene, either...

There was no evidence to show that if any struggle had taken place between Ralph and his killer in the kitchen, that it had happened before police and Jeremy arrived there...

I also do not accept that police did not peek through the kitchen window when they went back to take a second look around the house after they and Jeremy had ran back to the patrol car to raise the alarm and request firearms officers to be deployed. According to the evidence, the kitchen was the only downstairs room which was lit up (had its light switched on), and I cannot understand why no police officer did not approach that window before 7:30am, and look into the kitchen, because if one had done they would have seen the disturbance in the kitchen and they would have seen Ralph's body if at that stage it was by the corner of the aga with his head in the coal bucket...

[Blodwynflower]

Mike, do you have plans to meet with your informant before Christmas? I'm eagerly awaiting the next instalment.....

[mike tesko]

Mike, do you have plans to meet with your informant before Christmas? I'm eagerly awaiting the next instalment.....

I shall be meeting him between Christmas and New year, in Colchester (hopefully)...

[Blodwynflower]

Mike, do you have plans to meet with your informant before Christmas? I'm eagerly awaiting the next instalment.....

I shall be meeting him between Christmas and New year, in Colchester (hopefully)...

Thankyou Mike.

I wonder if he could appeal to his former colleagues to come forward? Does he know how many individuals have copies of the photographs?

[mike tesko]

This was the silencer which PC Whiddon took from DCI "Taff" Jones desk at Witham police station, the one handed to police by Ann Eaton on 11th September 1985:-