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[mike tesko]

Under what circumstances did these bloodied fingermarks get made on Sheila's neck around the fatal entry wound site?

By checking some of the crime scene photographs, there appears to be additional bloodied marks around the fatal wound site, which was not there when the barrel of the rifle was in a different position against Sheila's neck/throat. This alerts us to the fact that somebody was trying to prevent blood from running and leaking from the fatal entry wound, at about the time the rifle was being repositioned on the body by the police...

[mike tesko]

According to DI Cooks (SOC) evidence, it was he who removed the rifle from Sheila's biody and it was he who stood it up against the bedroom window, yet we also have PS Woodcock saying he removed the rifle at 11:10hrs and made it safe, and of course there is also PI Montgomery, who claims he removed the rifle from the body and made iot safe...

Now...

How many times was the gun removed from the body?

Once (by Cook)?

twice? (by Cook, and Montgomery)?

Three times? (by Cook, Montgomery, and Woodcock)?

My next query is why does the rifle have DC Hammersleys exhibit reference of DRH/15, if Cook, and Montgomery, and Woodcock all took possession of the rifle at the scene?

Are we talking about the removal of three guns from the body, at different stages of the proceedings, or the same gun which was removed from the body whilst the body was being stage managed and replaced, before being removed and replaced again, and then removed finally?

[smiffy]

Smiffy may be able to help me here. I was wondering where the wooden part of the rifle came from. Was it the butt of the rifle.

The piece of wood that appears in photographs on this forum IS NOT part of the Bamber rifle though some people have mistakenly thought it was.
That broken  piece of wood is officially unsourced...ie not known where from...but EP are clear it was NOT from the Bamber rifle. I agree.

The missing piece of wood from the Bamber rifle was supposed to be in front of the aga...not to be confused with the one photograhed on here.
The description in court of where it was found seems to place it as being roughly under the photographed stack of cushions. A photograph purported to show it as teh scene has a dodgy provenance and Bird says he did not take it.

The bit of the wooden butt that broke off the Bamber rifle was the top edge where it met the metal mechanism part. In the pictures there is a gap in how the metal mechanism merges into the stock..
However the design means this part means of the butt does not blend in smoothly anyway...there is a short step in which the metal mechanism stands lightly proud. It was by this part that the butt became damaged and the short step normally seen is now a much larger gap .
A users thumb would normally be in contact with the damaged part of the butt if firing the rifle.

The sort of damage seen to the butt of the Bamber rifle seems conversant with it being used to batter someone or something with the butt by thrusting it at them or with it being dropped onto a tough surface ..butt downward. From such treatment the imacting faces should show some damage consistent with the impacts causing the wood to splinter where it met the metal mechanism.
If no impact damage is seen then consideration should be given to look for marks around where the wood splintered to see if a screwdriver or similar item was used to break the piece of butt off deliberately.




The mystery piece of wood could feasibly have broken off another weapon...such as Pargetter's rifle...most likely from wood covering the sides of the metal mechanism on Pargetter's rifle if I am correct.

[mike tesko]

The position of the rifle on Sheila's body had been repositioned at the time this crime scene photograph was taken:-

This is because the barrel of the rifle is resting against the left hand side of Sheila's neck, at a time when additional bloodied finger marks were made around the fatal entry wound...

If DI Cook was the first police officer to remove the rifle from Sheila's body, and stand it up against the bedroom window, as he claimed he did, then this must have been done before this photograph was taken, otherwise, somebody else must have moved the rifle from the body prior to DI Cook arriving at the scene to enable him to remove the gun as he has described in his evidence, elsewhere...

THE SCENE AS PHOTOGRAPHED HERE, WAS/IS THEREFORE, STAGE MANAGED, NOT BY JEREMY BAMBER, OR ANY AS YET UNIDENTIFIED KILLER, BUT BY THE POLICE..

[mike tesko]

The position of the guns barrel in this image, makes it absolutely clear that it was the police who were/are responsible for moving the gun around on Sheila's body, not , or any as yet unidentified killer:-

At this stage, the additional bloodied fingermarks around the fatal entry wound had not yet been made, so therefore we can safely say that the position of the rifle as shown in this image was before the other photograph which shows the barrel of the rifle resting against the left side of Sheila's neck...

A check can be made to see the order with which the negatives that correspond to these images were taken in?

For example, guns barrel pointing in direction of chin, as opposed to position of rifles barrel resting against the left side of Sheila's neck?

Obviously, one of these two photographs was taken before the other one, and it is important to establish which came first. The one which shows the guns barrel pointing in the general direction of Sheila's chin, was so obviously taken before the other one where the guns barrel is resting against the feft hand side of Sheila's neck. This will be confirmed once the negatives are checked against these two images...

[mike tesko]

What we then need to do, once we have established which order those two crime scene photographs were taken in, is establish at what stage the following crime scene picture was taken:-

Was the picture which shows the rifle leaning against the bedroom window, taken before either of the other two photographs which shows the position of the rifles barrel on Sheila's body in contradictory positions, for example, (a) the one which has the end of the guns barrel pointing in the general direction of Sheila's chin, as opposed to (b) the other one where the barrel of the rifle is resting against her neck?

If the rifle was photographed after (a), but before (b), we can then safely conclude that the rifle was removed from the body of Sheila by DI Cook, and placed against the bedroom window, before somebody replaced the rifle rifle back onto the body in time for crime scene photograph (b) to then be taken...

We can also establish, that at around this time, a police officer tried to stem the flow of blood from leaking and running from the fatal entry wound, because his bloodied fingermarks suddenly appeared around the fatal entry wound site (b), which were not there in the previously taken photograph (a)?

[mike tesko]

So...

The sequence with which these crucial photographs were taken, which I shall refer to as, photographs (a), (b) and (c), can help us to reconstruct what the police did at the scene, inside whf on that particular morning, at the time they were stage managing the crime scene, for the purpose of producing a photographic record that they would later manipulate, so that they could successfully prosecute 'JB' for the murders, on the bais that he had shot and killed his sister and then stage managed her body at the scene to make it look like or appear as though she had committed suicide...

Whilst the truth is...

The only persons responsible for stage managing the scene, and in particular the body of Sheila, were the police, themselves...

[mike tesko]

Finally...

Whilst taking into account the sequence with which crime scene photographs (a), (b) and (c) were taken by reference to the negatives, there is one other photograph which for the purpose of this argument I shall refer to as photograph (d). This photograph shows a view of the bedroom, in particular, a view showing the bedroom window at a time when the rifle was no longer resting up against it...

The timing when this (d) photograph was taken can be established by reference to the negatives....

[mike tesko]

We need to know the sequence with which these four photographs, (a), (b), (c), and (d), were taken, so that it can then be established beyond doubt what the police inside whf were getting up to, it will allow us to reconstruct exactly what the police did, whilst they were stage managing the scene, and creating a false photographic record that was later used to help prosecute and convict Jeremy for these murders...

So...

In what order, were photographs (a), (b), (c) and (d), taken?

[mike tesko]

Photographs, (a), (b), (c) and (d) in sequence, for the benefit of my argument:-

If you check the negatives to establish which of these four photographs was taken first to last, it will help to prove that photographic evidence was misused to help prosecute and convict Jeremy Bamber for these murders...

[mike tesko]

Anyway...

I think it is now possible to establish by reference to individual crime scene photographs, to show that a police officer attempted to prevent the flow of blood from the fatal entry wound on Sheila's neck at the time the police were moving the rifle about, onto and off Sheila Caffells body...

To illustrate the point even more...

Not only did a police officer apply his bloodied fingers to the neck of Sheila, at the time the rifle was being moved around upon and against Sheila's neck, but even after that police officer had applied his bloodied fingers to try and prevent blood from running profusely from the fatal entry wound, further amounts of blood continued to flow form it as evidence by reference to the following crime scene image:-

I shall refer to this crime scene photogroah (e)...

[mike tesko]

There are five crime scene photographs which can help to determine what the police got up to inside whf, that morning...

Photographs (a), (b), (c), (d) and (e)...

The order that these five photographs were taken in, can be established by reference to the negatives which are currently in the hands of the CCRC...

[mike tesko]

A key feature which helps to show that Jeremy did not shoot Sheila twice (if at all) can easily be put by reference to photograph (e), which shows that even after a police officer at the scene had placed his bloodied fingermarks against the fatal entry wound site, blood had still continued to flow and leak, and run from it, despite the fact that Jeremy had been in the company of police officers at the scene from just before 4am that morning...

[grahameb]

Every time I look at that picture of Sheila I just say to myself, poor lass. There are no winners in this thing.

[ngb1066]

Every time I look at that picture of Sheila I just say to myself, poor lass. There are no winners in this thing.

I agree.  Even after all this time I still find looking at the photographs of Sheila very distressing.  Whatever happened at WHF Sheila was herself a victim.  It was a terrible tragedy, whatever your viewpoint on the case.