you should all know this?

[Roch]

Mike, regarding these photos that you have allegedly seen.  How good would you say the quality of picture was, in relation the 'informant' photo?

[Newbury1]

In addition to PI Miller and DCI Jones sAying they saw Sheila` body on the far side of the bed, abd me having seen two crime scene pictures depicting Sheila`s body on the bed, it should also not be forgotten that the pice surgeon Dr Craig, told Ewen Smith (bow a CCRC Commissioner) thar wheb he arrived ar the scene Sheila`s. Bodt was on the bed, and that by that by that time she only had one wound to her throat
...

Dr Craig was accompabied around the house on that occasion by PI Miller, who aso describes in his pocketbook that Sheila`s body was on the far side of the bed. He also told Mr Thompkin that  Sheila killed the others, and then she had taken her own life by shooting herself with a solitary shot under the chin...

Dr Craig and PI Miller arrived at the scene before DCI Jones, and the photographs of Sheila on the bed was taken after that...

Unfortunately not. Dr Craig describes Sheilas location as on the other side of the bed, on the floor hidden from view. Pretty much as per photographs on this forum and as consistently described in every single piece of documentary evidence in which it's mentioned.

 http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1187.0.html

Your only recourse for this is that Dr Craig lied or his statement was edited, which I do not believe.

Rather than you suggesting that I am wrong you should consider contacting Ewen Smith (CCRC 0commisioner) and ask him what Dr Craig told him? If you do, he will confirm that Dr Raig told him that Sheila`s body was on the bed whgen he saw it, and that he was asked to make a false statement saying Sheila`s body was on the floor. He told Ewen his statement was false...

This has very serious consequences for many police officers who have all made false statements regarding the same...

Perhaps before suggesting that I am wrong you should go and get an affidavit from Ewen to that effect, think of all the tax payers money you could save.

That is something for the defence legal team to do rather than Mike.  Mike has passed on the information and he cannot be expected to do more than that.

 

ngb - Can we take it that JB's defence legal team do not consider an Affidavit in respect of Mike seeing a photo of SC on the bed important, and if so I wonder why!!. During a previous exchange of posts on this subject you supported the idea of an affidavit, and even expressed surprise that one had not yet been produced (if I remember correctly).

Mike went on to say that he would be prepared to provide one - fair enough, but Mike also stated that he had written various letters and emails to prominent people highlighting this photo, and yet when I asked him to post these, not only was there a significant delay (okay he was too busy), but he posted just one letter.

Every time this subject crops up it causes frustration as there is no proof of the photo, yet Mike has apparently seen it, Ewen Smith and now "Z". If it exists I am sure others must have seen it yet none have come forward supporting the existence of this photo - What is being done about getting a copy of the photo from "Z"

Obviously I am not able to speak for the defence team on this but I do know that they are fully aware of Mike's information about seeing the photograph in the office of Ewen Smith.  I discussed this with Jeremy some time ago and he is confident that the defence can demonstrate that negatives (not simply unexposed frames) have been destroyed.  The specific photograph seen by Mike is one of those photographs.  The subject of the photographs forms a part of the defence submissions to the CCRC.  A lot of work has been done on this with expert evidence obtained.

Thanks ngb - one more (and my apologies if  this has been covered previously), but if this photo became available, in your opinion, would it be an almost automatic release for JB? (would it be game over for the prosecution?).

And are you confident this photo exists?

[ngb1066]

In addition to PI Miller and DCI Jones sAying they saw Sheila` body on the far side of the bed, abd me having seen two crime scene pictures depicting Sheila`s body on the bed, it should also not be forgotten that the pice surgeon Dr Craig, told Ewen Smith (bow a CCRC Commissioner) thar wheb he arrived ar the scene Sheila`s. Bodt was on the bed, and that by that by that time she only had one wound to her throat
...

Dr Craig was accompabied around the house on that occasion by PI Miller, who aso describes in his pocketbook that Sheila`s body was on the far side of the bed. He also told Mr Thompkin that  Sheila killed the others, and then she had taken her own life by shooting herself with a solitary shot under the chin...

Dr Craig and PI Miller arrived at the scene before DCI Jones, and the photographs of Sheila on the bed was taken after that...

Unfortunately not. Dr Craig describes Sheilas location as on the other side of the bed, on the floor hidden from view. Pretty much as per photographs on this forum and as consistently described in every single piece of documentary evidence in which it's mentioned.

 http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1187.0.html

Your only recourse for this is that Dr Craig lied or his statement was edited, which I do not believe.

Rather than you suggesting that I am wrong you should consider contacting Ewen Smith (CCRC 0commisioner) and ask him what Dr Craig told him? If you do, he will confirm that Dr Raig told him that Sheila`s body was on the bed whgen he saw it, and that he was asked to make a false statement saying Sheila`s body was on the floor. He told Ewen his statement was false...

This has very serious consequences for many police officers who have all made false statements regarding the same...

Perhaps before suggesting that I am wrong you should go and get an affidavit from Ewen to that effect, think of all the tax payers money you could save.

That is something for the defence legal team to do rather than Mike.  Mike has passed on the information and he cannot be expected to do more than that.

 

ngb - Can we take it that JB's defence legal team do not consider an Affidavit in respect of Mike seeing a photo of SC on the bed important, and if so I wonder why!!. During a previous exchange of posts on this subject you supported the idea of an affidavit, and even expressed surprise that one had not yet been produced (if I remember correctly).

Mike went on to say that he would be prepared to provide one - fair enough, but Mike also stated that he had written various letters and emails to prominent people highlighting this photo, and yet when I asked him to post these, not only was there a significant delay (okay he was too busy), but he posted just one letter.

Every time this subject crops up it causes frustration as there is no proof of the photo, yet Mike has apparently seen it, Ewen Smith and now "Z". If it exists I am sure others must have seen it yet none have come forward supporting the existence of this photo - What is being done about getting a copy of the photo from "Z"

Obviously I am not able to speak for the defence team on this but I do know that they are fully aware of Mike's information about seeing the photograph in the office of Ewen Smith.  I discussed this with Jeremy some time ago and he is confident that the defence can demonstrate that negatives (not simply unexposed frames) have been destroyed.  The specific photograph seen by Mike is one of those photographs.  The subject of the photographs forms a part of the defence submissions to the CCRC.  A lot of work has been done on this with expert evidence obtained.

Thanks ngb - one more (and my apologies if  this has been covered previously), but if this photo became available, in your opinion, would it be an almost automatic release for JB? (would it be game over for the prosecution?).

And are you confident this photo exists?

If this photograph became available I would not go so far as to say it would result in automatic release for JB but it would certainly be of great assistance to the defence.  Essex Police would have to provide a full explanation for it and for the fact that it had not been disclosed by them.  The CCRC would be bound to investigate the circumstances surrounding the taking of the photograph and the reasons for it being withheld.  Essex Police would be under a lot of pressure.

As far as the existence of the photograph is concerned I have no reason to doubt what Mike has said and also what he has said about Dr Craig.  I can confirm that Mike raised this at the time with Jeremy, as he has already explained.  I believe that a number of photographs have been destroyed by Essex Police and there has to be a reason why this was done in clear breach of standing orders.
   

[Newbury1]

Okay Thanks,

If we believe Z has a copy of this photo what is being done to get a copy of it?

Surely this is a priority to all supporting JB and would fast track the defence case and save all concerned having to wait until March 2012 (or whenever)!

[ngb1066]

Okay Thanks,

If we believe Z has a copy of this photo what is being done to get a copy of it?

Surely this is a priority to all supporting JB and would fast track the defence case and save all concerned having to wait until March 2012 (or whenever)!

I am not sure whether the defence have any information about Z so there is nothing they can do to obtain any evidence he may have.  We have to await further information from Mike about this.

 

[mertol22]

How many copies of the photo exist ,if it exists .

[mike tesko]

Mike, regarding these  that you have allegedly seen.  How good would you say the quality of picture was, in relation the 'informant' photo?

Both images that I saw, are very high quality...

[mike tesko]

In addition to PI Miller and DCI Jones sAying they saw Sheila` body on the far side of the bed, abd me having seen two crime scene pictures depicting Sheila`s body on the bed, it should also not be forgotten that the pice surgeon Dr Craig, told Ewen Smith (bow a CCRC Commissioner) thar wheb he arrived ar the scene Sheila`s. Bodt was on the bed, and that by that by that time she only had one wound to her throat
...

Dr Craig was accompabied around the house on that occasion by PI Miller, who aso describes in his pocketbook that Sheila`s body was on the far side of the bed. He also told Mr Thompkin that  Sheila killed the others, and then she had taken her own life by shooting herself with a solitary shot under the chin...

Dr Craig and PI Miller arrived at the scene before DCI Jones, and the photographs of Sheila on the bed was taken after that...

Unfortunately not. Dr Craig describes Sheilas location as on the other side of the bed, on the floor hidden from view. Pretty much as per photographs on this forum and as consistently described in every single piece of documentary evidence in which it's mentioned.

 http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1187.0.html

Your only recourse for this is that Dr Craig lied or his statement was edited, which I do not believe.

Rather than you suggesting that I am wrong you should consider contacting Ewen Smith (CCRC 0commisioner) and ask him what Dr Craig told him? If you do, he will confirm that Dr Raig told him that Sheila`s body was on the bed whgen he saw it, and that he was asked to make a false statement saying Sheila`s body was on the floor. He told Ewen his statement was false...

This has very serious consequences for many police officers who have all made false statements regarding the same...

Perhaps before suggesting that I am wrong you should go and get an affidavit from Ewen to that effect, think of all the tax payers money you could save.

That is something for the defence legal team to do rather than Mike.  Mike has passed on the information and he cannot be expected to do more than that.

 

ngb - Can we take it that JB's defence legal team do not consider an Affidavit in respect of Mike seeing a photo of SC on the bed important, and if so I wonder why!!. During a previous exchange of posts on this subject you supported the idea of an affidavit, and even expressed surprise that one had not yet been produced (if I remember correctly).

Mike went on to say that he would be prepared to provide one - fair enough, but Mike also stated that he had written various letters and emails to prominent people highlighting this photo, and yet when I asked him to post these, not only was there a significant delay (okay he was too busy), but he posted just one letter.

Every time this subject crops up it causes frustration as there is no proof of the photo, yet Mike has apparently seen it, Ewen Smith and now "Z". If it exists I am sure others must have seen it yet none have come forward supporting the existence of this photo - What is being done about getting a copy of the photo from "Z"

Obviously I am not able to speak for the defence team on this but I do know that they are fully aware of Mike's information about seeing the photograph in the office of Ewen Smith.  I discussed this with Jeremy some time ago and he is confident that the defence can demonstrate that negatives (not simply unexposed frames) have been destroyed.  The specific photograph seen by Mike is one of those photographs.  The subject of the photographs forms a part of the defence submissions to the CCRC.  A lot of work has been done on this with expert evidence obtained.

I have seen two different photographs of Sheila on the bed, once when I was visiting Ewen Smith at his offices in Birmingham (at a time when he was Jeremy's solicitor), and secondly, when I was recently shown a different one by my informant (Z), which shows Sheila only had one wound to her throat when her body was on the bed, not two...

Two of the the missing negatives, relate to these pictures...

Other missing negatives, have the following relevance, according to what my informant told me in Scotland, recently:-

You are all going to find this very difficult to accept and come to terms with, but I am assured that it is entirely true and accurate...

[mike tesko]

There are seven or eight missing negatives which were taken when  Sheila's body was on the bed, and police at the scene, took indecent photographs of Sheila in an exposed state, which had been deliberately stage managed by the police, for the purpose of self gratification, and victim humiliation...

[mike tesko]

There are seven or eight missing negatives which were taken when  Sheila's body was on the bed, and police at the scene, took indecent photographs of Sheila in an exposed state, which had been deliberately stage managed by the police, for the purpose of self gratification, and victim humiliation...

Police at the scene, treated the crime scene as a circus, where they stage managed bodies, for the purpose of humiliating the three adult victims, and later for police officers to pose for photopgraphs on the roof of the farmhouse, waving a banner publicising their involvement in this , multiple shooting incident...

In my opinion...

The lowering of the pyjama bottoms around Ralph Bambers ankles, as his body was bowed forward into a coal bucket, is very similar to the photographs of Sheila on the bed, pantiless...

[ngb1066]

There are seven or eight missing negatives which were taken when  Sheila's body was on the bed, and police at the scene, took indecent photographs of Sheila in an exposed state, which had been deliberately stage managed by the police, for the purpose of self gratification, and victim humiliation...

Police at the scene, treated the crime scene as a circus, where they stage managed bodies, for the purpose of humiliating the three adult victims, and later for police officers to pose for photopgraphs on the roof of the farmhouse...

In my opinion...

The lowering of the pyjama bottoms around Ralph Bambers ankles, as his body was bowed forward into a coal bucket, is very similar to the photographs of Sheila on the bed, pantiless...

Mike  - do you know what "Z"'s intentions are in relation to the evidence in his possession? 

[mike tesko]

There are seven or eight missing negatives which were taken when  Sheila's body was on the bed, and police at the scene, took indecent photographs of Sheila in an exposed state, which had been deliberately stage managed by the police, for the purpose of self gratification, and victim humiliation...

Police at the scene, treated the crime scene as a circus, where they stage managed bodies, for the purpose of humiliating the three adult victims, and later for police officers to pose for photopgraphs on the roof of the farmhouse...

In my opinion...

The lowering of the pyjama bottoms around Ralph Bambers ankles, as his body was bowed forward into a coal bucket, is very similar to the photographs of Sheila on the bed, pantiless...

Mike  - do you know what "Z"'s intentions are in relation to the evidence in his possession?

He has told me that he feels ashamed to have been one of the police officers involved in the investigation of these shootings, since some of his colleagues went well over the top, and were disrespectful to the deceased victims, he has told me that the police officer who was photographed on the roof with the banner, was one of the major instigators in the "tom foolery" involving the stage managing of Sheila, Ralph and June, at the scene...

When I next speak to him, I am hoping to be able to persuade him to come forward and produce the picture he showed to me recently...

Missing negatives are linked to these episodes of tom foolery...

[mike tesko]

I would also like to add that such was the intensity of this "tom foolery", which included tampering with the adult victims by police officers, that they deliberately tore June Bambers nightdress in the groin region...

Investigating officers responsible for this tom foolery, have avoided being exposed for what they did, until now...

[Roch]

Not sure I buy this one Mike.  Though there is clear reference to the complaints made about said 'tomfoolery' in the FB Innocent blurb posted on the 'CCRC close the case?' thread.  So I do wonder why that has been specifically mentioned.

This also does tend to contradict another theory.  The one where the bottoms come down during struggle with Sheila.

[HMEssex]

I'm not surprised 'Z' is ashamed of his colleagues.  If all of this is true, it makes me feel sick.  It's one thing people in this field use 'black humour' to cope with what they see, but this is taking it to a whole different level.  How bloody dare they.