you should all know this?

[mertol22]

Now would be a good time for that photo.

[mike tesko]

In addition to PI Miller and DCI Jones saying they saw Sheila` s body on the far side of the bed,' and me having seen two crime scene pictures depicting Sheila`s body on the bed, it should also not be forgotten that the police surgeon Dr Craig, told Ewen Smith (bow a CCRC Commissioner) that when he arrived at the scene Sheila`s. Body was on the bed, and that by that by that time she only had one wound to her throat
...

Dr Craig was accompanied around the house on that occasion by PI Miller, who aso describes in his pocketbook that Sheila`s body was on the far side of the bed. He also told Mr Thompkin that  Sheila killed the others, and then she had taken her own life by shooting herself with a solitary shot under the chin...

Dr Craig and PI Miller arrived at the scene before DCI Jones, and the photographs of Sheila on the bed was taken after that...

[Hartley]

In addition to PI Miller and DCI Jones sAying they saw Sheila` body on the far side of the bed, abd me having seen two crime scene pictures depicting Sheila`s body on the bed, it should also not be forgotten that the pice surgeon Dr Craig, told Ewen Smith (bow a CCRC Commissioner) thar wheb he arrived ar the scene Sheila`s. Bodt was on the bed, and that by that by that time she only had one wound to her throat
...

Dr Craig was accompabied around the house on that occasion by PI Miller, who aso describes in his pocketbook that Sheila`s body was on the far side of the bed. He also told Mr Thompkin that  Sheila killed the others, and then she had taken her own life by shooting herself with a solitary shot under the chin...

Dr Craig and PI Miller arrived at the scene before DCI Jones, and the photographs of Sheila on the bed was taken after that...

Unfortunately not. Dr Craig describes Sheilas location as on the other side of the bed, on the floor hidden from view. Pretty much as per photographs on this forum and as consistently described in every single piece of documentary evidence in which it's mentioned.

 http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1187.0.html

Your only recourse for this is that Dr Craig lied or his statement was edited, which I do not believe.

[smiffy]

In addition to PI Miller and DCI Jones sAying they saw Sheila` body on the far side of the bed, abd me having seen two crime scene pictures depicting Sheila`s body on the bed, it should also not be forgotten that the pice surgeon Dr Craig, told Ewen Smith (bow a CCRC Commissioner) thar wheb he arrived ar the scene Sheila`s. Bodt was on the bed, and that by that by that time she only had one wound to her throat
...

Dr Craig was accompabied around the house on that occasion by PI Miller, who aso describes in his pocketbook that Sheila`s body was on the far side of the bed. He also told Mr Thompkin that  Sheila killed the others, and then she had taken her own life by shooting herself with a solitary shot under the chin...

Dr Craig and PI Miller arrived at the scene before DCI Jones, and the photographs of Sheila on the bed was taken after that...

Unfortunately not. Dr Craig describes Sheilas location as on the other side of the bed, on the floor hidden from view. Pretty much as per photographs on this forum and as consistently described in every single piece of documentary evidence in which it's mentioned.

 http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1187.0.html

Your only recourse for this is that Dr Craig lied or his statement was edited, which I do not believe.

Police do put pressure on witness to lie and only a fool or a person in denial would not accept this happens.
That appears to have occurred with Dr Craig and with the pathologist and likely many others.

Clearly in this case some major cover up has gone on and any right minded person can see this from a proper examination of the available evidence.

It goes way beyond being able to be passed off as mistakes over and over again.

[mike tesko]

In addition to PI Miller and DCI Jones sAying they saw Sheila` body on the far side of the bed, abd me having seen two crime scene pictures depicting Sheila`s body on the bed, it should also not be forgotten that the pice surgeon Dr Craig, told Ewen Smith (bow a CCRC Commissioner) thar wheb he arrived ar the scene Sheila`s. Bodt was on the bed, and that by that by that time she only had one wound to her throat
...

Dr Craig was accompabied around the house on that occasion by PI Miller, who aso describes in his pocketbook that Sheila`s body was on the far side of the bed. He also told Mr Thompkin that  Sheila killed the others, and then she had taken her own life by shooting herself with a solitary shot under the chin...

Dr Craig and PI Miller arrived at the scene before DCI Jones, and the photographs of Sheila on the bed was taken after that...

Unfortunately not. Dr Craig describes Sheilas location as on the other side of the bed, on the floor hidden from view. Pretty much as per photographs on this forum and as consistently described in every single piece of documentary evidence in which it's mentioned.

 http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1187.0.html

Your only recourse for this is that Dr Craig lied or his statement was edited, which I do not believe.

Rather than you suggesting that I am wrong you should consider contacting Ewen Smith (CCRC Commissioner) and ask him what Dr Craig told him? If you do, he will confirm that Dr Craig told him that Sheila`s body was on the bed when he saw it, and that he was asked to make a false statement saying Sheila`s body was on the floor. He told Ewen his statement was false...

This has very serious consequences for many police officers who have all made false statements regarding the same...

[Hartley]

In addition to PI Miller and DCI Jones sAying they saw Sheila` body on the far side of the bed, abd me having seen two crime scene pictures depicting Sheila`s body on the bed, it should also not be forgotten that the pice surgeon Dr Craig, told Ewen Smith (bow a CCRC Commissioner) thar wheb he arrived ar the scene Sheila`s. Bodt was on the bed, and that by that by that time she only had one wound to her throat
...

Dr Craig was accompabied around the house on that occasion by PI Miller, who aso describes in his pocketbook that Sheila`s body was on the far side of the bed. He also told Mr Thompkin that  Sheila killed the others, and then she had taken her own life by shooting herself with a solitary shot under the chin...

Dr Craig and PI Miller arrived at the scene before DCI Jones, and the photographs of Sheila on the bed was taken after that...

Unfortunately not. Dr Craig describes Sheilas location as on the other side of the bed, on the floor hidden from view. Pretty much as per photographs on this forum and as consistently described in every single piece of documentary evidence in which it's mentioned.

 http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1187.0.html

Your only recourse for this is that Dr Craig lied or his statement was edited, which I do not believe.

Rather than you suggesting that I am wrong you should consider contacting Ewen Smith (CCRC 0commisioner) and ask him what Dr Craig told him? If you do, he will confirm that Dr Raig told him that Sheila`s body was on the bed whgen he saw it, and that he was asked to make a false statement saying Sheila`s body was on the floor. He told Ewen his statement was false...

This has very serious consequences for many police officers who have all made false statements regarding the same...

Perhaps before suggesting that I am wrong you should go and get an affidavit from Ewen to that effect, think of all the tax payers money you could save.

[ngb1066]

In addition to PI Miller and DCI Jones sAying they saw Sheila` body on the far side of the bed, abd me having seen two crime scene pictures depicting Sheila`s body on the bed, it should also not be forgotten that the pice surgeon Dr Craig, told Ewen Smith (bow a CCRC Commissioner) thar wheb he arrived ar the scene Sheila`s. Bodt was on the bed, and that by that by that time she only had one wound to her throat
...

Dr Craig was accompabied around the house on that occasion by PI Miller, who aso describes in his pocketbook that Sheila`s body was on the far side of the bed. He also told Mr Thompkin that  Sheila killed the others, and then she had taken her own life by shooting herself with a solitary shot under the chin...

Dr Craig and PI Miller arrived at the scene before DCI Jones, and the photographs of Sheila on the bed was taken after that...

Unfortunately not. Dr Craig describes Sheilas location as on the other side of the bed, on the floor hidden from view. Pretty much as per photographs on this forum and as consistently described in every single piece of documentary evidence in which it's mentioned.

 http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1187.0.html

Your only recourse for this is that Dr Craig lied or his statement was edited, which I do not believe.

Rather than you suggesting that I am wrong you should consider contacting Ewen Smith (CCRC 0commisioner) and ask him what Dr Craig told him? If you do, he will confirm that Dr Raig told him that Sheila`s body was on the bed whgen he saw it, and that he was asked to make a false statement saying Sheila`s body was on the floor. He told Ewen his statement was false...

This has very serious consequences for many police officers who have all made false statements regarding the same...

Perhaps before suggesting that I am wrong you should go and get an affidavit from Ewen to that effect, think of all the tax payers money you could save.

That is something for the defence legal team to do rather than Mike.  Mike has passed on the information and he cannot be expected to do more than that.

 

[mike tesko]

The problem with the photo` of Sheila on the. Bed, that I saw in Ewens office,  may be that it is considered too obscene, and could be withheld on that basis...

[Roch]

The problem with the photo` of Sheila on the. Bed, that I saw in Ewens office,  may be that it is considered too obscene, and could be withheld on that basis...

Yet the defence could counter argue that anything 'obscene' could simply be airbrushed in any reproductions.  The defence allege that crippling restrictions were placed upon the release of negatives by the CCRC.  Similar restrictions could be placed upon the release of this negative (should it exist). I do not think that is therefore a valid argument to withhold this negative (should it exist).

[Hartley]

The problem with the photo` of Sheila on the. Bed, that I saw in Ewens office,  may be that it is considered too obscene, and could be withheld on that basis...

There is not a chance on Earth that, 'too obscene' would be cited as a reason for a photograph being withheld from the defence team in this situation.

[Hartley]

In addition to PI Miller and DCI Jones sAying they saw Sheila` body on the far side of the bed, abd me having seen two crime scene pictures depicting Sheila`s body on the bed, it should also not be forgotten that the pice surgeon Dr Craig, told Ewen Smith (bow a CCRC Commissioner) thar wheb he arrived ar the scene Sheila`s. Bodt was on the bed, and that by that by that time she only had one wound to her throat
...

Dr Craig was accompabied around the house on that occasion by PI Miller, who aso describes in his pocketbook that Sheila`s body was on the far side of the bed. He also told Mr Thompkin that  Sheila killed the others, and then she had taken her own life by shooting herself with a solitary shot under the chin...

Dr Craig and PI Miller arrived at the scene before DCI Jones, and the photographs of Sheila on the bed was taken after that...

Unfortunately not. Dr Craig describes Sheilas location as on the other side of the bed, on the floor hidden from view. Pretty much as per photographs on this forum and as consistently described in every single piece of documentary evidence in which it's mentioned.

 http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1187.0.html

Your only recourse for this is that Dr Craig lied or his statement was edited, which I do not believe.

Rather than you suggesting that I am wrong you should consider contacting Ewen Smith (CCRC 0commisioner) and ask him what Dr Craig told him? If you do, he will confirm that Dr Raig told him that Sheila`s body was on the bed whgen he saw it, and that he was asked to make a false statement saying Sheila`s body was on the floor. He told Ewen his statement was false...

This has very serious consequences for many police officers who have all made false statements regarding the same...

Perhaps before suggesting that I am wrong you should go and get an affidavit from Ewen to that effect, think of all the tax payers money you could save.

That is something for the defence legal team to do rather than Mike.  Mike has passed on the information and he cannot be expected to do more than that.

 

Likewise contacting Ewen to validate somebody elses story is not my job NGB.

[Newbury1]

In addition to PI Miller and DCI Jones sAying they saw Sheila` body on the far side of the bed, abd me having seen two crime scene pictures depicting Sheila`s body on the bed, it should also not be forgotten that the pice surgeon Dr Craig, told Ewen Smith (bow a CCRC Commissioner) thar wheb he arrived ar the scene Sheila`s. Bodt was on the bed, and that by that by that time she only had one wound to her throat
...

Dr Craig was accompabied around the house on that occasion by PI Miller, who aso describes in his pocketbook that Sheila`s body was on the far side of the bed. He also told Mr Thompkin that  Sheila killed the others, and then she had taken her own life by shooting herself with a solitary shot under the chin...

Dr Craig and PI Miller arrived at the scene before DCI Jones, and the photographs of Sheila on the bed was taken after that...

Unfortunately not. Dr Craig describes Sheilas location as on the other side of the bed, on the floor hidden from view. Pretty much as per photographs on this forum and as consistently described in every single piece of documentary evidence in which it's mentioned.

 http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1187.0.html

Your only recourse for this is that Dr Craig lied or his statement was edited, which I do not believe.

Rather than you suggesting that I am wrong you should consider contacting Ewen Smith (CCRC 0commisioner) and ask him what Dr Craig told him? If you do, he will confirm that Dr Raig told him that Sheila`s body was on the bed whgen he saw it, and that he was asked to make a false statement saying Sheila`s body was on the floor. He told Ewen his statement was false...

This has very serious consequences for many police officers who have all made false statements regarding the same...

Perhaps before suggesting that I am wrong you should go and get an affidavit from Ewen to that effect, think of all the tax payers money you could save.

That is something for the defence legal team to do rather than Mike.  Mike has passed on the information and he cannot be expected to do more than that.

 

ngb - Can we take it that JB's defence legal team do not consider an Affidavit in respect of Mike seeing a photo of SC on the bed important, and if so I wonder why!!. During a previous exchange of posts on this subject you supported the idea of an affidavit, and even expressed surprise that one had not yet been produced (if I remember correctly).

Mike went on to say that he would be prepared to provide one - fair enough, but Mike also stated that he had written various letters and emails to prominent people highlighting this photo, and yet when I asked him to post these, not only was there a significant delay (okay he was too busy), but he posted just one letter.

Every time this subject crops up it causes frustration as there is no proof of the photo, yet Mike has apparently seen it, Ewen Smith and now "Z". If it exists I am sure others must have seen it yet none have come forward supporting the existence of this photo - What is being done about getting a copy of the photo from "Z"

[ngb1066]

The problem with the photo` of Sheila on the. Bed, that I saw in Ewens office,  may be that it is considered too obscene, and could be withheld on that basis...

Essex Police have not raised that argument.  They say that they have disclosed all the negatives in their possession.  There are negatives which have been cropped from the strips provided, but Essex Police say that the cropped negatives were unexposed frames.  Even if this is true it is a serious breach of police standing orders for dealing with photographic evidence.  The position of some of the cropped frames on the negative strips makes the position of Essex Police on this hard to accept.

 

[ngb1066]

In addition to PI Miller and DCI Jones sAying they saw Sheila` body on the far side of the bed, abd me having seen two crime scene pictures depicting Sheila`s body on the bed, it should also not be forgotten that the pice surgeon Dr Craig, told Ewen Smith (bow a CCRC Commissioner) thar wheb he arrived ar the scene Sheila`s. Bodt was on the bed, and that by that by that time she only had one wound to her throat
...

Dr Craig was accompabied around the house on that occasion by PI Miller, who aso describes in his pocketbook that Sheila`s body was on the far side of the bed. He also told Mr Thompkin that  Sheila killed the others, and then she had taken her own life by shooting herself with a solitary shot under the chin...

Dr Craig and PI Miller arrived at the scene before DCI Jones, and the photographs of Sheila on the bed was taken after that...

Unfortunately not. Dr Craig describes Sheilas location as on the other side of the bed, on the floor hidden from view. Pretty much as per photographs on this forum and as consistently described in every single piece of documentary evidence in which it's mentioned.

 http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1187.0.html

Your only recourse for this is that Dr Craig lied or his statement was edited, which I do not believe.

Rather than you suggesting that I am wrong you should consider contacting Ewen Smith (CCRC 0commisioner) and ask him what Dr Craig told him? If you do, he will confirm that Dr Raig told him that Sheila`s body was on the bed whgen he saw it, and that he was asked to make a false statement saying Sheila`s body was on the floor. He told Ewen his statement was false...

This has very serious consequences for many police officers who have all made false statements regarding the same...

Perhaps before suggesting that I am wrong you should go and get an affidavit from Ewen to that effect, think of all the tax payers money you could save.

That is something for the defence legal team to do rather than Mike.  Mike has passed on the information and he cannot be expected to do more than that.

 

Likewise contacting Ewen to validate somebody elses story is not my job NGB.

Yes I accept that.

[ngb1066]

In addition to PI Miller and DCI Jones sAying they saw Sheila` body on the far side of the bed, abd me having seen two crime scene pictures depicting Sheila`s body on the bed, it should also not be forgotten that the pice surgeon Dr Craig, told Ewen Smith (bow a CCRC Commissioner) thar wheb he arrived ar the scene Sheila`s. Bodt was on the bed, and that by that by that time she only had one wound to her throat
...

Dr Craig was accompabied around the house on that occasion by PI Miller, who aso describes in his pocketbook that Sheila`s body was on the far side of the bed. He also told Mr Thompkin that  Sheila killed the others, and then she had taken her own life by shooting herself with a solitary shot under the chin...

Dr Craig and PI Miller arrived at the scene before DCI Jones, and the photographs of Sheila on the bed was taken after that...

Unfortunately not. Dr Craig describes Sheilas location as on the other side of the bed, on the floor hidden from view. Pretty much as per photographs on this forum and as consistently described in every single piece of documentary evidence in which it's mentioned.

 http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1187.0.html

Your only recourse for this is that Dr Craig lied or his statement was edited, which I do not believe.

Rather than you suggesting that I am wrong you should consider contacting Ewen Smith (CCRC 0commisioner) and ask him what Dr Craig told him? If you do, he will confirm that Dr Raig told him that Sheila`s body was on the bed whgen he saw it, and that he was asked to make a false statement saying Sheila`s body was on the floor. He told Ewen his statement was false...

This has very serious consequences for many police officers who have all made false statements regarding the same...

Perhaps before suggesting that I am wrong you should go and get an affidavit from Ewen to that effect, think of all the tax payers money you could save.

That is something for the defence legal team to do rather than Mike.  Mike has passed on the information and he cannot be expected to do more than that.

 

ngb - Can we take it that JB's defence legal team do not consider an Affidavit in respect of Mike seeing a photo of SC on the bed important, and if so I wonder why!!. During a previous exchange of posts on this subject you supported the idea of an affidavit, and even expressed surprise that one had not yet been produced (if I remember correctly).

Mike went on to say that he would be prepared to provide one - fair enough, but Mike also stated that he had written various letters and emails to prominent people highlighting this photo, and yet when I asked him to post these, not only was there a significant delay (okay he was too busy), but he posted just one letter.

Every time this subject crops up it causes frustration as there is no proof of the photo, yet Mike has apparently seen it, Ewen Smith and now "Z". If it exists I am sure others must have seen it yet none have come forward supporting the existence of this photo - What is being done about getting a copy of the photo from "Z"

Obviously I am not able to speak for the defence team on this but I do know that they are fully aware of Mike's information about seeing the photograph in the office of Ewen Smith.  I discussed this with Jeremy some time ago and he is confident that the defence can demonstrate that negatives (not simply unexposed frames) have been destroyed.  The specific photograph seen by Mike is one of those photographs.  The subject of the photographs forms a part of the defence submissions to the CCRC.  A lot of work has been done on this with expert evidence obtained.