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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1695 on: December 07, 2011, 11:31:AM »
A screenshot I took some while back...so not ideal...
another angle of part of Sheila in the bedroom.
Again it is clear that there is no slipper or bullet case to the left of the bible.
I don't like to post any more, so apologies to all, but why hasn't anybody else picked up on the fact that Mike posted this as "Smiffy"?
Just for everybody's information. Smiffy is not Mike. Different name, different IP address, Different part of the country. Unless of course Mike is really captain Kirk from Star trek and can travel at the speed of light?

Beam me up Smiffy?

I must admit I'm not convinced, but it doesn't really matter either way.

Of course I'm sure it probably means that if I'm wrong on that, then my interpretation of the case is wrong, the world is a flat disc supported on the backs of elephants and the moon landings were filmed in Arizona. Plus Elvis is alive and well and living in Tollesbury.  :P

This suggestion that Mike and Smiffy are one and the same came originally from John Lamberton and has been repeated so many times that it is being regarded as true by some who should know better than to be taken in by something not supported by any evidence.  Both Mike and Smiffy have made the position clear and Grahame and I have explained why we believe this suggestion to be rubbish.  Suggesting in effect that both Mike and Smiffy are lying about this is not acceptable in my view and I know that it is causing offence.  Can we please now accept what Mike and Smiffy have said and move on.

 

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« Reply #1696 on: December 07, 2011, 11:57:AM »
A screenshot I took some while back...so not ideal...
another angle of part of Sheila in the bedroom.
Again it is clear that there is no slipper or bullet case to the left of the bible.
I don't like to post any more, so apologies to all, but why hasn't anybody else picked up on the fact that Mike posted this as "Smiffy"?
Just for everybody's information. Smiffy is not Mike. Different name, different IP address, Different part of the country. Unless of course Mike is really captain Kirk from Star trek and can travel at the speed of light?

Beam me up Smiffy?

I must admit I'm not convinced, but it doesn't really matter either way.

Of course I'm sure it probably means that if I'm wrong on that, then my interpretation of the case is wrong, the world is a flat disc supported on the backs of elephants and the moon landings were filmed in Arizona. Plus Elvis is alive and well and living in Tollesbury.  :P

This suggestion that Mike and Smiffy are one and the same came originally from John Lamberton and has been repeated so many times that it is being regarded as true by some who should know better than to be taken in by something not supported by any evidence.  Both Mike and Smiffy have made the position clear and Grahame and I have explained why we believe this suggestion to be rubbish.  Suggesting in effect that both Mike and Smiffy are lying about this is not acceptable in my view and I know that it is causing offence.  Can we please now accept what Mike and Smiffy have said and move on.


Alas your wording here is so true of many instances on the forum - the repeated reference to that photo of Sheila on the bed (with one wound) used as a mind implant being the most frustrating to me!!  ::).

Is anybody doing anything to get this alleged photo from the infamous Z  :o

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« Reply #1697 on: December 07, 2011, 12:04:PM »
Alas your wording here is so true of many instances on the forum ..................

I was just about to post those exact same words.

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« Reply #1698 on: December 07, 2011, 12:35:PM »
If Sheila is not the one who shot her family that night why are her fatal injuries not as the rest of the family.

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« Reply #1699 on: December 07, 2011, 12:44:PM »
If Sheila is not the one who shot her family that night why are her fatal injuries not as the rest of the family.

Because the murderer (if it was not SC) wanted to make it look as if SC had shot her family, and then shot herself!!

The shot(s) to SC had to look like a self inflicted suicide shot(s) for this to work.

The fact that their are two shots to SC's throat area has lets say complicated the subject some what!!

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« Reply #1700 on: December 07, 2011, 12:50:PM »
If Sheila is not the one who shot her family that night why are her fatal injuries not as the rest of the family.

Because the murderer (if it was not SC) wanted to make it look as if SC had shot her family, and then shot herself!!

The shot(s) to SC had to look like a self inflicted suicide shot(s) for this to work.

The fact that their are two shots to SC's throat area has lets say complicated the subject some what!!
Why do you think the most experienced policemen in Essex  , could not see this , when they first examined the scene ?

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« Reply #1701 on: December 07, 2011, 12:51:PM »
So Sheila complied and laid down ready to be shot ,  meanwhile the killer was still there at 7am waiting for the blood to stop if only.

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« Reply #1702 on: December 07, 2011, 12:59:PM »
A screenshot I took some while back...so not ideal...
another angle of part of Sheila in the bedroom.
Again it is clear that there is no slipper or bullet case to the left of the bible.
I don't like to post any more, so apologies to all, but why hasn't anybody else picked up on the fact that Mike posted this as "Smiffy"?
Just for everybody's information. Smiffy is not Mike. Different name, different IP address, Different part of the country. Unless of course Mike is really captain Kirk from Star trek and can travel at the speed of light?

Beam me up Smiffy?

I must admit I'm not convinced, but it doesn't really matter either way.

Of course I'm sure it probably means that if I'm wrong on that, then my interpretation of the case is wrong, the world is a flat disc supported on the backs of elephants and the moon landings were filmed in Arizona. Plus Elvis is alive and well and living in Tollesbury.  :P

This suggestion that Mike and Smiffy are one and the same came originally from John Lamberton and has been repeated so many times that it is being regarded as true by some who should know better than to be taken in by something not supported by any evidence.  Both Mike and Smiffy have made the position clear and Grahame and I have explained why we believe this suggestion to be rubbish.  Suggesting in effect that both Mike and Smiffy are lying about this is not acceptable in my view and I know that it is causing offence.  Can we please now accept what Mike and Smiffy have said and move on.


Alas your wording here is so true of many instances on the forum - the repeated reference to that photo of Sheila on the bed (with one wound) used as a mind implant being the most frustrating to me!!  ::).

Is anybody doing anything to get this alleged photo from the infamous Z  :o

The example you have given is very different from the subject of my post.  Mike says that he has seen a photograph of Sheila on the bed and nobody can say from their own knowledge that what Mike says is false.  You may be sceptical about this but that is as far as you can take it.  There is no evidence to contradict what Mike says.  In the case of the Mike/Smiffy allegation both Mike and Smiffy have categorically denied that they are one and the same.  There therefore is direct evidence to contradict this John Lamberton invention.

   

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« Reply #1703 on: December 07, 2011, 01:05:PM »
So Sheila complied and laid down ready to be shot ,  meanwhile the killer was still there at 7am waiting for the blood to stop if only.

That it what those who believe JB did it (or an other) managed to do - and yes I agree It takes some believing!

If JB was moving around the house killing all (and beating up Nevill), where was SC, why didn't she try and make a break for it.

Instead we are, according to the prosecution, to believe somehow JB got SC to comply with a staged suicide scenario.

This is effectively what the 10 "guilty" members of the original jury must have believed happenned.
« Last Edit: December 07, 2011, 01:14:PM by Nick59 »

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« Reply #1704 on: December 07, 2011, 01:11:PM »
A screenshot I took some while back...so not ideal...
another angle of part of Sheila in the bedroom.
Again it is clear that there is no slipper or bullet case to the left of the bible.
I don't like to post any more, so apologies to all, but why hasn't anybody else picked up on the fact that Mike posted this as "Smiffy"?
Just for everybody's information. Smiffy is not Mike. Different name, different IP address, Different part of the country. Unless of course Mike is really captain Kirk from Star trek and can travel at the speed of light?

Beam me up Smiffy?

I must admit I'm not convinced, but it doesn't really matter either way.

Of course I'm sure it probably means that if I'm wrong on that, then my interpretation of the case is wrong, the world is a flat disc supported on the backs of elephants and the moon landings were filmed in Arizona. Plus Elvis is alive and well and living in Tollesbury.  :P

This suggestion that Mike and Smiffy are one and the same came originally from John Lamberton and has been repeated so many times that it is being regarded as true by some who should know better than to be taken in by something not supported by any evidence.  Both Mike and Smiffy have made the position clear and Grahame and I have explained why we believe this suggestion to be rubbish.  Suggesting in effect that both Mike and Smiffy are lying about this is not acceptable in my view and I know that it is causing offence.  Can we please now accept what Mike and Smiffy have said and move on.


Alas your wording here is so true of many instances on the forum - the repeated reference to that photo of Sheila on the bed (with one wound) used as a mind implant being the most frustrating to me!!  ::).

Is anybody doing anything to get this alleged photo from the infamous Z  :o

The example you have given is very different from the subject of my post.  Mike says that he has seen a photograph of Sheila on the bed and nobody can say from their own knowledge that what Mike says is false.  You may be sceptical about this but that is as far as you can take it.  There is no evidence to contradict what Mike says.  In the case of the Mike/Smiffy allegation both Mike and Smiffy have categorically denied that they are one and the same.  There therefore is direct evidence to contradict this John Lamberton invention.

   

ngb - point taken.  However I just used your highlighted words to make a point. My post was based an an element of sceptisism and frustation on the photo subject (I am not too bothered about who's who on here).

Does anybody (mike, ngb) have a comment on "Is anybody doing anything to get this alleged photo from the infamous Z??

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« Reply #1705 on: December 07, 2011, 01:17:PM »
So Sheila complied and laid down ready to be shot ,  meanwhile the killer was still there at 7am waiting for the blood to stop if only.

That it was those who believe JB (or an other) managed to do - and yes I agree It takes some believing!

If JB was moving around the house killing all (and beating up Nevill), where was SC, why didn't she try and make a break for it.

Instead we are, according to the prosecution, to believe somehow JB got SC to comply with a staged suicide scenario.

This is effectively what the 10 "guilty" members of the original jury must have believed happenned.
Sheila would not have fled before or after the boys were shot, she would have scratched his face bad, no reported injuries on Jeremy that night and none healed up fully in the space of a few hours, if as i think more than 1 firearm was in the house Sheila could have used on Jeremy,one thing can never be faked , tiredness, when Jeremy met the police at the farm were pictures taken of him, were not 8 of the jury women ? women and children need i say more guilty assured.

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« Reply #1706 on: December 07, 2011, 01:56:PM »
If Sheila is not the one who shot her family that night why are her fatal injuries not as the rest of the family.

Because the murderer (if it was not SC) wanted to make it look as if SC had shot her family, and then shot herself!!

The shot(s) to SC had to look like a self inflicted suicide shot(s) for this to work.

The fact that their are two shots to SC's throat area has lets say complicated the subject some what!!
Why do you think the most experienced policemen in Essex  , could not see this , when they first examined the scene ?

There are so many suggested scenarios in this respect it's a bit mind boggling

1) JB managed to get SC to comply to a "suicide" and staged SC's body on the floor by the bed (as put forward by EP to help convict JB)

2) SC was originally found by EP on the bed (with one wound to her throat) - no proof as yet.

3) EP staged SC's body on the floor by the bed (after shooting her!! (not my idea) / finding her still alive and moving her to the recovery position on the floor)

4) If SC was originally found on the bed by EP, JB could still have stage managed her body on the bed. But when the case turned against JB, EP had to use the photos of SC on the floor or have  an awkward explanation of how she got there.
 
5) If SC shot herself (2nd shot) it could have been on the bed, and she either died there or was still alive, just - (see 3 above)

There maybe more possible scenarios, but I've run out of steam  :P
« Last Edit: December 07, 2011, 02:04:PM by Nick59 »

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« Reply #1707 on: December 07, 2011, 02:33:PM »
The example you have given is very different from the subject of my post.  Mike says that he has seen a photograph of Sheila on the bed and nobody can say from their own knowledge that what Mike says is false.  You may be sceptical about this but that is as far as you can take it.  There is no evidence to contradict what Mike says.  In the case of the Mike/Smiffy allegation both Mike and Smiffy have categorically denied that they are one and the same.  There therefore is direct evidence to contradict this John Lamberton invention.
 

That's fair enough, there are however many instances of something being claimed, or claims that a document irrefutably indicates something, when in reality it is simply a persons opinion or view.

Examples of this include:

Pargaters rifle case being at WHF, Smiffy has posted Ann's note as the proof, the reality is that it's not proof at all, merely somebodies opinion of what it refers to. However since then countless people on the forum have repeated it so many times that many people accept it to be the 'case' without question.

Another example is Ann taking a bucket of blood stained clothes home, which was accepted on the same face value and isn't actually true.

Or we have the old story about the police being in conversation with somebody inside the house, unfortunately the 'met with no reply' was omitted.



I could go on, but all of these things are (or were) accepted as fact simply because they were repeated over and over again. It has more to do with people trying to persuade others around to their way of thinking, regardless of whether it's the truth or not.

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Many of Mikes theories are based on such terms, such as Sheila being downstairs, Sheila being in the scullery, bodies moved around, June being the shooter, Anthony Pargeter being the shooter, Pargeters rifle/silencer/magazines being at WHF, a phone call from Ralph, a scratched/unscratched mantel piece, edited witness statements, falsified hand swabs... etc .... etc ... etc.

Which is fine, it's a 21st Century method of brainstorming I suppose, the problem is in the manner in which such theories are put across, they are stated as the absolute matter of fact truth, even though many of these absolute matter of fact truths are incompatible with each other.
Other people then read these theories and accept them as fact and repeat them over and over again until they almost become accepted. There's even been newspaper articles and TV programs repeating these things, not to mention the various comments added on to online articles and blogs and forums.

And as I say, that's all fine, folk can do as they please, but I do question what the point of it is, why does someone reply to one of my posts shouting and screaming in an almost uncontrollable rant that their opinion is far more credible than mine when the reality is it's just their views differ to mine. My views may not be accepted by everyone but they are usually fairly well thought out and conveyed, so I do wonder why they appear to offend people so.
It's one thing to convince a few people of something (whether it's true or not), it's another to actually convince the courts. I sometimes get the impression that priorities are the wrong way around.
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Anyway I've rambled on enough and I've forgot what the question was, or if there even was one.  :-\

And this all has nothing to do with the identities of anybody on the forum which just doesn't bloody matter anyway.


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« Reply #1708 on: December 07, 2011, 03:02:PM »
hartley posted

Another example is Ann taking a bucket of blood stained clothes home, which was accepted on the same face value and isn't actually true.

first time I have seen this claim made...is it your imagination again Hartley?

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« Reply #1709 on: December 07, 2011, 03:22:PM »
I wonder if someone can post where this information about Ann taking home a bucket of bloodstained clothes comes from? I;ve heard it several times, but have failed to find out the source?