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Offline smiffy

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1665 on: December 06, 2011, 07:42:AM »
the reddish rectangular mark on the carpet is most likely where a sample was cut out from the carpet after Sheila was moved..hence not appearing inn photographs with body in place...it ties with the diagram which it is admitted is a guide only and not to scale.

On the chairs in the rifle standing by the window photograph... it seems like a net curtain has been draped over the 2 chairs and maybe a sock or two placed on top of the net curtain in one place.

It seems to be the net curtain that sneaks into the bottom of some pictures taken from near the window end towards the bed.

So did the bedroom normally have a net curtain fitted and did the police remove it?

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« Reply #1666 on: December 06, 2011, 11:19:AM »
DC Hammersley has clearly given a false account as to the precise position and location of bullet case, DRH/1...

How many other exhibits has he lied about?

Well, the following items spring to mind...

Hand swabs (DRH/33)
Bible (DRH/33 and DRH/44)
Rifle (DRH/15)
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1667 on: December 06, 2011, 11:42:AM »
DC Hammersley has clearly given a false account as to the precise position and location of bullet case, DRH/1...

How many other exhibits has he lied about?

Well, the following items spring to mind...

Hand swabs (DRH/33)
Bible (DRH/33 and DRH/44)
Rifle (DRH/15)

What could the dodgy bullet case (DRH/1), and the dodgy Whole bullet (PV/20) have in common, I wonder?
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« Reply #1668 on: December 06, 2011, 12:21:PM »
DC Hammersley has clearly given a false account as to the precise position and location of bullet case, DRH/1...

How many other exhibits has he lied about?

Well, the following items spring to mind...

Hand swabs (DRH/33)
Bible (DRH/33 and DRH/44)
Rifle (DRH/15)

What could the dodgy bullet case (DRH/1), and the dodgy Whole bullet (PV/20) have in common, I wonder?

If you tamper with one of the two bullets (PV/20) and substitute the original fragmented bullet  with a whole one, and you could wrongly attribute the find of one bullet case (DRH/1) to the bedroom next to the body of Sheila, it becomes easy to mislead people into thinking she was shot twice in the bedroom by use of the same gun...
« Last Edit: December 06, 2011, 06:18:PM by mike tesko »
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« Reply #1669 on: December 06, 2011, 06:38:PM »
Key witnesses who were involved with a silencer:-

(1) DS `Stan` Jones
(2) David Boutflour
(3) Ann Eaton
(4) Peter Eaton
(5) PI `Bob` Miller
(6) DI `Ron` Cook
(7) Glynis Howard
(8) Malcolm Fletcher
(9) John Hayward
(10) Robert Boutflour
(11) DS `Neil` Davidson
(12) DS Eastwood
(13) DC Oakey
(14) PC `David` Bird
(15) Anthony Pargeter
(16) Basil John Cock
(17) Brian Elliot
(18) DCI `Taff` Jones
(19) PC `Chris' Whiddon

The silencer evidence was treated by all the afore named, as though they were dealing with one silencer, but there were two different ones...
« Last Edit: December 06, 2011, 06:40:PM by mike tesko »
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« Reply #1670 on: December 06, 2011, 08:33:PM »
Pocketbook Entry of DCI "Taff" Jones, re:- position of Sheila's body on the bed:-

DCI Jones does not place Sheila's body on the floor at this time, unlike the bible and the splashes of blood and spent cartridge cases which he describes...
« Last Edit: December 06, 2011, 08:38:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1671 on: December 06, 2011, 08:57:PM »
The Illusive scratch mark on one of the silencers
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1672 on: December 06, 2011, 09:01:PM »
Pocketbook Entry of DCI "Taff" Jones, re:- position of Sheila's body on the bed:-

DCI Jones does not place Sheila's body on the floor at this time, unlike the bible and the splashes of blood and spent cartridge cases which he describes...

I have got copies of DCI "Taff" Jones pocketbook entries from 17th July 1985 to 18th August 1985 (inclusive)...
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Offline mike tesko

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1673 on: December 06, 2011, 09:23:PM »
So...

(1) Now we have the photograph I saw of Sheila on the bed (when I visited Ewn Smiths office)

(2) also, the photograph I was shown by my informant of Sheila on the bed, with only one wound to her neck...

(3) and now, an entry in DCI "Taff" Jones pocketbook, which describes Sheila's body as being on the far side of the bed...

We also have missing negatives, which must show Sheila on the bed...
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« Reply #1674 on: December 06, 2011, 09:28:PM »
So...

(1) Now we have the photograph I saw of Sheila on the bed (when I visited Ewn Smiths office)

(2) also, the photograph I was shown by my informant of Sheila on the bed, with only one wound to her neck...

(3) and now, an entry in DCI "Taff" Jones pocketbook, which describes Sheila's body as being on the far side of the bed...

We also have missing negatives, which must show Sheila on the bed...

Mike, you don't actually have all of those things though?  Where did the pocketbook come from, I thought that was missing?  Though the notes re the far side of the bed look familiar  ???

'Far side of bed' could mean where she was officially found. 

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« Reply #1675 on: December 06, 2011, 09:31:PM »
So...

(1) Now we have the photograph I saw of Sheila on the bed (when I visited Ewn Smiths office)

(2) also, the photograph I was shown by my informant of Sheila on the bed, with only one wound to her neck...

(3) and now, an entry in DCI "Taff" Jones pocketbook, which describes Sheila's body as being on the far side of the bed...

We also have missing negatives, which must show Sheila on the bed...

Mike, you don't actually have all of those things though?  Where did the pocketbook come from, I thought that was missing?  Though the notes re the far side of the bed look familiar  ???

'Far side of bed' could mean where she was officially found.

Essex police have (1), my informant has (2), and the notes of DCI Jones, do not say her body was found on the floor...

You will remember, that the pocketbook entry of PI "Bob" Miller, also placed Sheila's body on the far side of the bed (again, not necessarily on the floor)...

I have always had a copy of the relevant part of DCI "Taff" Jones pocketbook, like so many other documents I have got in my possession, I have got thousands of copy documents...
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1676 on: December 06, 2011, 09:36:PM »
Why would DCI Jones, and PI Miller, both independently of each other, record for the fact that Shila;s body was found on the far side of the bed, if her body was on the floor at that stage?
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« Reply #1677 on: December 06, 2011, 10:13:PM »
I believe the blood you see coming from Sheilas mouth may be the result of her been moved to the floor, i have personal expierience of this situation.

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1678 on: December 06, 2011, 10:14:PM »
Why would DCI Jones, and PI Miller, both independently of each other, record for the fact that Shila;s body was found on the far side of the bed, if her body was on the floor at that stage?

Mike, it's going to come down to what is meant by 'side'.  Many will interpret it as far side of the bed ,while many will no doubt interpret it as far side of the bed (i.e. floor).   

Many will interpret there being no mention of 'floor' as meaning she's on the bed.  Others will simply say that it was rough notes recording by police under pressure and therefore the fact that 'floor' is not mentioned is no more than (yet) another 'mistake'.

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« Reply #1679 on: December 06, 2011, 10:24:PM »
This has just made me think of the scratch on the aga surround. I thought that the Bambers didn't have any contact with the rest of the family since the last Christmas. Or at most they didn't visit them much. What on earth made them notice the scratch on the aga? It could have been made at any time before that night? Also who notices those things unless they are looking for such things? I don't buy that. Look at the state of the paint and decor of the house. I'm sure it was covered with scratches? It was a working farmhouse.