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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1260 on: November 23, 2011, 07:27:AM »
None of us should be in any doubt that there were no visible scratch marks on two crucial areas of the aga on the morning of the shootings. These two areas were deliberately marked by someone who wanted the silencer to be fitted to the guns barrel, and to try and prove this they scratched the aga surround with the end of the silencer, later on...

Three important events

(1) date photographs were taken at scene on 7th August 1985
(2) date photographs were taken at scene when house cleaner reconstructed kitchen
(3) date photographs were taken showing marks on other areas of aga at scene


When you then do, is factor in the date when the relatives found the silencer in the gun cupboard (11th September 1985), when Ann Eaton handed it over to the police (same date), and the date it was sent to the lab' (20th September 1985). This provides a window of opportunity for the conspirators to use the silencer to deliberately make the additional marks on the aga surround, so that by the time the case came to trial the existence of the scratch marks on the aga, and the corresponding paint from the aga on the end of the silencer, were persuasive enough to fool the court into accepting that the silencer must have been fitted to the gun at the time of a purported struggle in the kitchen between Ralph and his killer...
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1261 on: November 23, 2011, 07:30:AM »
None of us should be in any doubt that there were no visible scratch marks on two crucial areas of the aga on the morning of the shootings. These two areas were deliberately marked by someone who wanted the silencer to be fitted to the guns barrel, and to try and prove this they scratched the aga surround with the end of the silencer, later on...

Three important events

(1) date photographs were taken at scene on 7th August 1985
(2) date photographs were taken at scene when house cleaner reconstructed kitchen
(3) date photographs were taken showing marks on other areas of aga at scene


When you then do, is factor in the date when the relatives found the silencer in the gun cupboard (11th September 1985), when Ann Eaton handed it over to the police (same date), and the date it was sent to the lab' (20th September 1985). This provides a window of opportunity for the conspirators to use the silencer to deliberately make the additional marks on the aga surround, so that by the time the case came to trial the existence of the scratch marks on the aga, and the corresponding paint from the aga on the end of the silencer, were persuasive enough to fool the court into accepting that the silencer must have been fitted to the gun at the time of a purported struggle in the kitchen between Ralph and his killer...

You then associate the blood evidence obtained from the small flake, to the silencer found by the relatives on 11th September 1985 (which was not sent to the lab' until 20th September 1985), so that the court can be fooled into accepting that the silencer was also fitted to the guns barrel at the time Sheila was shot and killed in the bedroom, and that whoever killed her, must have removed the silencer from the guns barrel after Sheila was shot and killed and that the killer took the silencer downstairs to the gun cupboard to hide it inside the gun cupboard where it remained until relatives found it on 11th September 1985 (date of find altered and brought forward a month to accommodate the evidence of the paint and the blood)...
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1262 on: November 23, 2011, 07:34:AM »
None of us should be in any doubt that there were no visible scratch marks on two crucial areas of the aga on the morning of the shootings. These two areas were deliberately marked by someone who wanted the silencer to be fitted to the guns barrel, and to try and prove this they scratched the aga surround with the end of the silencer, later on...

Three important events

(1) date photographs were taken at scene on 7th August 1985
(2) date photographs were taken at scene when house cleaner reconstructed kitchen
(3) date photographs were taken showing marks on other areas of aga at scene


When you then do, is factor in the date when the relatives found the silencer in the gun cupboard (11th September 1985), when Ann Eaton handed it over to the police (same date), and the date it was sent to the lab' (20th September 1985). This provides a window of opportunity for the conspirators to use the silencer to deliberately make the additional marks on the aga surround, so that by the time the case came to trial the existence of the scratch marks on the aga, and the corresponding paint from the aga on the end of the silencer, were persuasive enough to fool the court into accepting that the silencer must have been fitted to the gun at the time of a purported struggle in the kitchen between Ralph and his killer...

You then associate the blood evidence obtained from the small flake, to the silencer found by the relatives on 11th September 1985 (which was not sent to the lab' until 20th September 1985), so that the court can be fooled into accepting that the silencer was also fitted to the guns barrel at the time Sheila was shot and killed in the bedroom, and that whoever killed her, must have removed the silencer from the guns barrel after Sheila was shot and killed and that the killer took the silencer downstairs to the gun cupboard to hide it inside the gun cupboard where it remained until relatives found it on 11th September 1985 (date of find altered and brought forward a month to accommodate the evidence of the paint and the blood)...

By adopting this approach...

Prosecution was able to rely upon all manner of deceptions to persuade the jury that Jeremy Bamber had killed Sheila, and that it was he who had stage managed her body in the bedroom to make it look like she had taken her own life, and they were also able to argue that with the silencer fitted to the guns barrel, the overall length of the weapon would have been too long to allow her to shoot herself even if she had wanted to?
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1263 on: November 23, 2011, 07:55:AM »
Silencer/Paint/blood evidence is fundamentally flawed

The Crowns case can no longer justify relying upon the evidence of the silencer/paint/blood, to sustain these convictions, for the following reasons:-

Scratch marks on aga, and paint ingrained onto/into end of silencer

The aga at the scene was deliberately scratched on an occasion after the shootings, at a time when there must have been transference of red paint from the aga onto the silencer, as evidenced by a reliance on crime scene photographs taken on 7th August 1985, and other dates in September 1985, showing that additional marks have been made. By the time the silencer fell to be examined, and by the time red [paint was identified as being present upon the silencers end cap (25th September 1985) it was not possible to establish that any paint which was present upon the silencer had got there before or during the shootings, or afterwards, since there were by that stage three areas upon the saga where scratch marks existed, two of which were not marked on the morning of the shootings...

How was it possible, therefore, to say with a degree of certainty that the paint which was present on the end of the silencer (as of 25th September 1985, when the silencer was examined at the lab), came from any area, other than either of the two areas upon the aga surround where marks had been made and added later on?
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Sheila Caffells blood Group activity (A, EAP BA, AK1 and HP 2-1) obtained from flake

Sheila Caffells blood was obtained from the examination of a small flake of dried blood said to have been found inside a silencer which had been sent to the lab', on 30th August 1985. It was supposedly found by the ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher, when he dismantled the silencer. He handed the flake to the blood expert, John Hayward, who proceeded over a number of days between 12th and 19th September 1985, to examine and analyse the blood for blood group activity. This examination produced the blood groups, A, EAP BA, AK1 and HP 2-1, which was all finalized by 19th September 1985. By this stage, the silencer found by the relatives had not yet even been sent to the lab', and would not be sent there until the following day (20th September 1985). This silencer was not therefore the silencer inside which was found the crucial flake of blood which produced the blood group activity (A, EAP BA, AK1 and HP 2-1) of Sheila Caffell...

 Furthermore, once the silencer which had been found by the relatives at the scene on 11th September 1985, was received at the lab', it was examined on 25th September 1985, and no blood at all was found inside it, only paint ingrained into or upon its end cap...

Conclusions

(1) Paint on silencer from scratch marks on aga, got there on an occasion long after the date of the shootings, but was wrongly attributed as having got there at the time of the shootings...

(2) Blood belonging to Sheila Caffell, was obtained from somewhere else, other than it having been found inside the silencer which the relatives found at the scene on 11th September 1985...

Lets get things into perspective, so that there can be no room at all for any doubt - David Boutflour did not contact Essex police about finding a silencer inside the gun cupboard at whf until 11th September 1985, as evidenced by police records giving details of phone messages received in connection with the case:-


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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1264 on: November 23, 2011, 08:04:AM »
Silencer/Paint/blood evidence is fundamentally flawed

The Crowns case can no longer justify relying upon the evidence of the silencer/paint/blood, to sustain these convictions, for the following reasons:-

Scratch marks on aga, and paint ingrained onto/into end of silencer

The aga at the scene was deliberately scratched on an occasion after the shootings, at a time when there must have been transference of red paint from the aga onto the silencer, as evidenced by a reliance on crime scene photographs taken on 7th August 1985, and other dates in September 1985, showing that additional marks have been made. By the time the silencer fell to be examined, and by the time red [paint was identified as being present upon the silencers end cap (25th September 1985) it was not possible to establish that any paint which was present upon the silencer had got there before or during the shootings, or afterwards, since there were by that stage three areas upon the saga where scratch marks existed, two of which were not marked on the morning of the shootings...

How was it possible, therefore, to say with a degree of certainty that the paint which was present on the end of the silencer (as of 25th September 1985, when the silencer was examined at the lab), came from any area, other than either of the two areas upon the aga surround where marks had been made and added later on?
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Sheila Caffells blood Group activity (A, EAP BA, AK1 and HP 2-1) obtained from flake

Sheila Caffells blood was obtained from the examination of a small flake of dried blood said to have been found inside a silencer which had been sent to the lab', on 30th August 1985. It was supposedly found by the ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher, when he dismantled the silencer. He handed the flake to the blood expert, John Hayward, who proceeded over a number of days between 12th and 19th September 1985, to examine and analyse the blood for blood group activity. This examination produced the blood groups, A, EAP BA, AK1 and HP 2-1, which was all finalized by 19th September 1985. By this stage, the silencer found by the relatives had not yet even been sent to the lab', and would not be sent there until the following day (20th September 1985). This silencer was not therefore the silencer inside which was found the crucial flake of blood which produced the blood group activity (A, EAP BA, AK1 and HP 2-1) of Sheila Caffell...

 Furthermore, once the silencer which had been found by the relatives at the scene on 11th September 1985, was received at the lab', it was examined on 25th September 1985, and no blood at all was found inside it, only paint ingrained into or upon its end cap...

Conclusions

(1) Paint on silencer from scratch marks on aga, got there on an occasion long after the date of the shootings, but was wrongly attributed as having got there at the time of the shootings...

(2) Blood belonging to Sheila Caffell, was obtained from somewhere else, other than it having been found inside the silencer which the relatives found at the scene on 11th September 1985...

Lets get things into perspective, so that there can be no room at all for any doubt - David Boutflour did not contact Essex police about finding a silencer inside the gun cupboard at whf until 11th September 1985, as evidenced by police records giving details of phone messages received in connection with the case:-

If David Boutflour did not contact the police about finding the silencer in the gun cupboard at whf, until 11th September 1985, how could the same silencer have already been sent to the lab' by the police, on 13th August 1985, and 30th August 1985? How could the silencer Boutflour contacted the police about finding on 11th September 1985, have already been fingerprinted by the police on 15th August 1985 (oblique light test) and on 23rd August 1985 (super glue treatment), and have been dismantled by DI Cook, on 29th August 1985, before he rebuilt it and sent it to the lab', on the following day?

David Boutflour had not yet reported finding the silencer to the police until long after these dates, and his sister did not hand it over to the police until 11th September 1985 - a silencer which was not sent to the lab' to be examined until 20th September 1985?
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1265 on: November 23, 2011, 08:07:AM »
ANYTHING RELATING TO A SILENCER BEFORE THESE (11th / 20th September 1985) DATES, COULD NOT RELATE TO THE SILENCER FOUND BY THE RELATIVES

Paint evidence on silencer,and scratch marks on aga surround are dodgy, and have got nothing at all to do with the shootings...

Blood group evidence originating from Sheila Caffell, was not found inside the silencer found by the relatives on 11th September 1985...
« Last Edit: November 23, 2011, 08:10:AM by mike tesko »
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« Reply #1266 on: November 23, 2011, 08:11:AM »
ANYTHING RELATING TO A SILENCER BEFORE THESE (11th / 20th September 1985) DATES, COULD NOT RELATE TO THE SILENCER FOUND BY THE RELATIVES

Paint evidence on silencer,and scratch marks on aga surround are dodgy, and have got nothing at all to do with the shootings...

Blood group evidence originating from Sheila Caffell, was not found inside the silencer found by the relatives on 11th September 1985...

I say, arrest all those who are involved in this conspiracy, including police officers, scientists and relatives, including anybody else in high office, or elsewhere, who has systematically sought to cover up this evidence scandal...
« Last Edit: November 23, 2011, 08:14:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1267 on: November 23, 2011, 09:05:AM »
Authorities have shown already, they are not prepared to address this scandal via the 'proper channels'. In the absence of any precedent regarding the offer of an amnesty in exchange for the truth, in my opinion there exists only one channel for the defence.  Exposure via direct means to the british Public via the media and especially via a top quality documentary.  Even better if it is one that has to be shown abroad and is banned from being broadcast over here.
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1268 on: November 23, 2011, 11:31:AM »
If you deliberately use a silencer to make scratch marks on the aga, on some later occasion, (after 7th August 1985) and then attribute those marks there to a time beforehand, (before the death of Ralph Bamber occurred)  and the corresponding paint on the end of the silencer, (25th September 1985), as proof positive that this silencer was fitted to the guns barrel at the time of a purported struggle between Ralph Bamber, and his killer, during the early hours of 7th August 1985, it amounts to falsified evidence, which has been wrongly used to support the prosecutions case, and these convictions should be set aside, as soon as possible, because the court has been fooled and deceived, on this point..
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« Reply #1269 on: November 23, 2011, 11:32:AM »
Questions now need to be asked, regarding at what stage the paint found on the end of the silencer, got there?

Before, during or after the purported struggle involving Ralph Bamber and his killer?

Nobody has yet addressed this particular issue, which is a very important one...
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« Reply #1270 on: November 23, 2011, 11:35:AM »
Questions now need to be asked, regarding at what stage the paint found on the end of the silencer, got there?

Before, during or after the purported struggle involving Ralph Bamber and his killer?

Nobody has yet addressed this particular issue, which is a very important one...

Scientists who examined the silencer on 25th September 1985, and afterwards, do not say at what stage the paint which was found to be present there on the end of the silencer got there, or from which area of the aga surround it originated from?
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« Reply #1271 on: November 23, 2011, 11:38:AM »
Questions now need to be asked, regarding at what stage the paint found on the end of the silencer, got there?

Before, during or after the purported struggle involving Ralph Bamber and his killer?

Nobody has yet addressed this particular issue, which is a very important one...

Scientists who examined the silencer on 25th September 1985, and afterwards, do not say at what stage the paint which was found to be present there on the end of the silencer got there, or from which area of the aga surround it originated from?

Scientists acting on behalf of the prosecution, have not yet excluded for the possibility that the paint found on the end of a silencer (25th September 1985) did not originate from the areas where marks later materialized (as confirmed by reference to crime scene photographs) on the aga...
« Last Edit: November 23, 2011, 11:39:AM by mike tesko »
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« Reply #1272 on: November 23, 2011, 12:07:PM »
The police fiction about a struggle by the aga.
The total lack of a single drop of blood would suggest in the supposed struggle by the aga not cuts were made....and that this had to have happened well before he was supposedly shot 4 times in the bedroom and then miraculously made his way downstairs back to the kitchen with none of the 5 wounds from the 4 bullets leaving a drop of blood along the way....

I dont buy it and only the most corrupt and perverted could claim it to be credible.

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« Reply #1273 on: November 23, 2011, 01:12:PM »
The police fiction about a struggle by the aga.
The total lack of a single drop of blood would suggest in the supposed struggle by the aga not cuts were made....and that this had to have happened well before he was supposedly shot 4 times in the bedroom and then miraculously made his way downstairs back to the kitchen with none of the 5 wounds from the 4 bullets leaving a drop of blood along the way....

I dont buy it and only the most corrupt and perverted could claim it to be credible.

The only blood found in the kitchen, was (a) on the kitchen floor around the base of the coal bucket, also (b) on the edge of the worktop near the box of bullets, and the telephone, and (c) blood on the kitchen floor directly beneath where the bloodied fingerprints were, aforementioned...

Seems to me, like Ralph got non fatally wounded whilst he was in the kitchen, near to the handset of the telephone, that he shed blood as a result of being shot in the kitchen, and that after he was shot there, he could have struggled to his feet, and received further shots which ultimately killed him in the kitchen, there was none of his blood found anywhere upstairs to suggest that he could have been shot upstairs at all...

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« Reply #1274 on: November 23, 2011, 01:14:PM »
The police fiction about a struggle by the aga.
The total lack of a single drop of blood would suggest in the supposed struggle by the aga not cuts were made....and that this had to have happened well before he was supposedly shot 4 times in the bedroom and then miraculously made his way downstairs back to the kitchen with none of the 5 wounds from the 4 bullets leaving a drop of blood along the way....

I dont buy it and only the most corrupt and perverted could claim it to be credible.

The only blood found in the kitchen, was (a) on the kitchen floor around the base of the coal bucket, also (b) on the edge of the worktop near the box of bullets, and the telephone, and (c) blood on the kitchen floor directly beneath where the bloodied fingerprints were, aforementioned...

Seems to me, like Ralph got non fatally wounded whilst he was in the kitchen, near to the handset of the telephone, that he shed blood as a result of being shot in the kitchen, and that after he was shot there, he could have struggled to his feet, and received further shots which ultimately killed him in the kitchen, there was none of his blood found anywhere upstairs to suggest that he could have been shot upstairs at all...

'O' type blood found on the wall paper at the top of the stairs or on the stairs could have been blood which originated from the shooting of the two children, who both had'O' type blood...
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