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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #690 on: November 07, 2011, 06:34:PM »
I have yet to meet a copper with a coinciance
Is coinciance a conscience obout money Cliff? ;D

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« Reply #691 on: November 07, 2011, 07:18:PM »
sorry for my crap spelling.

Your spelling is not as bad as you think it is, Cliff, you go ahead and spell how you want, that's your right.  The spelling and grammar Fascists can go to blazes!

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« Reply #692 on: November 07, 2011, 07:25:PM »
I have yet to meet a copper with a coinciance
Is coinciance a conscience obout money Cliff? ;D


I love your new avatar, it's much nicer you than that grumpy face. Grahame's a pussy cat  :D
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #693 on: November 07, 2011, 07:30:PM »
I have yet to meet a copper with a coinciance
Is coinciance a conscience obout money Cliff? ;D


I love your new avatar, it's much more you than that grumpy face. Grahame's a pussy cat  :D
Err... do you really mean that? It's cat that looks like Hitler  ::)

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #694 on: November 07, 2011, 07:41:PM »
I. Know that Sheila was photographed on the bed at a time when she was still alive. And only had one wound to her neck. I also know that she was shot under the chin for a second time whIst she was  still on the bed, before her body was moved to the floor...
I have believed in Jeromy's innocence for a long time now, but I am troubled by Mikes posts.
I can not get my head around that the police fired the fatal shot.
I can see no reason for this.
I am not about to change my mind, but mikes take on this is beyond me.
Z does nothing for me, as I still feel stung by Ali Bongo, so I am very cautious.
If mike is taking the piss again, then I will leave the forum.
I have been thinking about Z for some time now, and I could make these statements as it is available on this sight. No problems there then.
Us pro Bambers will listen to any misinformation, and trust in mike, but it does not do it for me.
After 26 years Z decides enough is enough, and is going to spill his guts. Why?
He has the power of EP behind him. He could of collected a million quid a few years back, so why do it for nothing. I have yet to meet a copper with a coinciance

be grateful for all the evidence 'Z' has uncovered and is helping to uncover...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #695 on: November 07, 2011, 07:41:PM »
sorry for my crap spelling.

Your spelling is not as bad as you think it is, Cliff, you go ahead and spell how you want, that's your right.  The spelling and grammar Fascists can go to blazes!
Shakespeare didn't do too bad. In his day there was no standard spelling.

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #696 on: November 07, 2011, 07:42:PM »
I have yet to meet a copper with a coinciance
Is coinciance a conscience obout money Cliff? ;D


I love your new avatar, it's much more you than that grumpy face. Grahame's a pussy cat  :D
A Hitler pussy cat. ;D

chochokeira

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« Reply #697 on: November 07, 2011, 08:05:PM »
I have yet to meet a copper with a coinciance
Is coinciance a conscience obout money Cliff? ;D


I love your new avatar, it's much nicer than that grumpy face. Grahame's a pussy cat  :D
Err... do you really mean that? It's cat that looks like Hitler  ::)


Aw, but it's a sweet little cat, don't be mean, Bob

chochokeira

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #698 on: November 07, 2011, 08:08:PM »
sorry for my crap spelling.

Your spelling is not as bad as you think it is, Cliff, you go ahead and spell how you want, that's your right.  The spelling and grammar Fascists can go to blazes!
Shakespeare didn't do too bad. In his day there was no standard spelling.

Exactly.

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« Reply #699 on: November 07, 2011, 08:20:PM »
Hammersley quote in court.

"This is the first time I had used a kit similar to this."

This being the hand swabs supposedly taken from Sheila.
What is wrong with the man ...does he have a problem with language and common sense?
Was his answer such  a mess and incorrectly tensed as it was a fabrication full stop...he was out of his depth and lied.

His incorrect use of  present tense in his answer is a most powerful indicator that he was being deceptive.

How can the kit he was using be similar to the kit he was using...would it not be not merely similar but identical because it was one and the same?

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« Reply #700 on: November 07, 2011, 08:57:PM »
Hammersley quote in court.

"This is the first time I had used a kit similar to this."

This being the hand swabs supposedly taken from Sheila.
What is wrong with the man ...does he have a problem with language and common sense?
Was his answer such  a mess and incorrectly tensed as it was a fabrication full stop...he was out of his depth and lied.

His incorrect use of  present tense in his answer is a most powerful indicator that he was being deceptive.

How can the kit he was using be similar to the kit he was using...would it not be not merely similar but identical because it was one and the same?


Good points, Smiffy. This should be one short, simple sentence describing the procedure Hammersley used to take the swabs. Yet this sentence is riddled with jittery self defence and contradictions. Why is Hammersley so nervous and defensive? Why does he nonsensically mix the past and present tense? Why would an experienced police officer use such a clumsy and evasive expression in court? Why use the word 'similar' which makes nonsense of this statement? Hammersley seems to be so defensive and so afraid that he'll say the wrong thing - and be caught out doing so? - that he ends up spouting nonsense. I think you're right, in my opinion, he's covering something up.

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« Reply #701 on: November 07, 2011, 09:16:PM »
Hammersley quote in court.

"This is the first time I had used a kit similar to this."

This being the hand swabs supposedly taken from Sheila.
What is wrong with the man ...does he have a problem with language and common sense?
Was his answer such  a mess and incorrectly tensed as it was a fabrication full stop...he was out of his depth and lied.

His incorrect use of  present tense in his answer is a most powerful indicator that he was being deceptive.

How can the kit he was using be similar to the kit he was using...would it not be not merely similar but identical because it was one and the same?


Good points, Smiffy. This should be one short, simple sentence describing the procedure Hammersley used to take the swabs. Yet this sentence is riddled with jittery self defence and contradictions. Why is Hammersley so nervous and defensive? Why does he nonsensically mix the past and present tense? Why would an experienced police officer use such a clumsy and evasive expression in court? Why use the word 'similar' which makes nonsense of this statement? Hammersley seems to be so defensive and so afraid that he'll say the wrong thing - and be caught out doing so? - that he ends up spouting nonsense. I think you're right, in my opinion, he's covering something up.


If Hammersley had actually taken the swabs after reading the instructions he would have known all about the samples all going off together in one complete kit back to the lab. Again ..a person taking the swabs and having read all the instructions would also know when taking the swabs that all the samples taken would be sent as one package...thus leading to no errors on the paperwork in which DRH numbers started to be issued and then crossed out when the mistake was realised.  It appears to me to be the case that Hammersley did not take the swabs at all.
I am also of the view from errors in his story that he was not present on the 7th as claimed.

His notebook entries about swabs at 11.00 am seem wrong....as going by his court evidence  and that of others ...he did not bag up or take any sample until the scene had been photographed. We have 2 officers claiming to remove the rifle at 11.10 am  so that would mean he could not even start bagging Sheila's hands or head etc until after this time.

In court Hammersley fails to mention Woodcock as being present or about when the rifle was  examined and removed. Though Woodcock claims Hammersley was there. Clearly there is some deception of a very serious nature going on and it appears to be with both persons accouts.

It is feasible that the information  mainly used by Hammersley in regards to the 7th august could have come from both Cook and Davidson with some lesser parts maybe from others.
The claims about being supervised by Cook very tightly on days other than the 7th could well betray Cook playing a key role in controlling and  manipulating forensics and other SOC activities so as to cover up what really happened that Hammersley may not be fully aware of.

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« Reply #702 on: November 07, 2011, 10:58:PM »
'Z' s account of what police found once they got into the kitchen

Two bodies, neither checked properly to see if still alive, it turns out Sheila was not shot at all, but that there was blood on the floor beside where her body was laying. Police now know that she was faking being dead, but in their haste to search the farmhouse and look for all the other potential victims, they left Sheila's body in the kitchen unsupervised...

This mistake...

led to further complications later when Sheila got upstairs and shot herself by use of a rifle with a silencer fitted to its barrel, this other rifle was the .22 air rifle, not the .22semi-automatic anshulz rifle, police believe that Sheila gathered up this air rifle at the bottom of the stairs in the kitchen, and that she took it upstairs with her to the bedroom. Sheila was shot with use of the .22 air rifle in the side of the neck at a time when a silencer was fitted to the end of its barrel, this is what 'Z' told me...



Mike, I believe the evidence or tale being submitted by 'Z' is incorrect regarding the air rifle.



IF the police KNEW Sheila used the .22 air rifle, then why would they not dispose it?  Instead - without it being cleaned - the Police handed the gun over to me upon Jeremy's imprisonment.
they must be more stupid than i thought

Police handed whf over to the relatives, which if we are to believe what we have been told, contained the silencer, the .22 air rifle and all the other weapons and ammunitions, part of which was used in the shootings, at least in the case of the silencer and the .22 air rifle, and a 12 bore shotgun, and not forgetting Anthony Pargeters .22 bolt action rifle, if it was there or not?

'Z' showed me a photograph of Sheila on the bed when there was only one wound present there - if you were to look at this photograph and take out the upper entry wound and accompanying trail of blood and fingermarks from it, and also the horizontal type blood trail from the lower wound (which is an overlay from the blood from the upper entry wound, you would be left with the lower entry wound, and a vertical trail of dried blood running from the lower entry wound - this is as close to what I saw regarding blood flow from the lower wound in the photograph which 'Z' showed to me the other day:-

There was no rifle barrel against the neck in the photograph 'Z' showed me...


Mike, the air rifle was not left at whf.....it was given to me.....by the police themselves!  Therefore, I do believe it was not used..........and they had hold of that rifle along time before I got hold of it.

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« Reply #703 on: November 08, 2011, 04:13:AM »
'Z' s account of what police found once they got into the kitchen

Two bodies, neither checked properly to see if still alive, it turns out Sheila was not shot at all, but that there was blood on the floor beside where her body was laying. Police now know that she was faking being dead, but in their haste to search the farmhouse and look for all the other potential victims, they left Sheila's body in the kitchen unsupervised...

This mistake...

led to further complications later when Sheila got upstairs and shot herself by use of a rifle with a silencer fitted to its barrel, this other rifle was the .22 air rifle, not the .22semi-automatic anshulz rifle, police believe that Sheila gathered up this air rifle at the bottom of the stairs in the kitchen, and that she took it upstairs with her to the bedroom. Sheila was shot with use of the .22 air rifle in the side of the neck at a time when a silencer was fitted to the end of its barrel, this is what 'Z' told me...



Mike, I believe the evidence or tale being submitted by 'Z' is incorrect regarding the air rifle.



IF the police KNEW Sheila used the .22 air rifle, then why would they not dispose it?  Instead - without it being cleaned - the Police handed the gun over to me upon Jeremy's imprisonment.
they must be more stupid than i thought

Police handed whf over to the relatives, which if we are to believe what we have been told, contained the silencer, the .22 air rifle and all the other weapons and ammunitions, part of which was used in the shootings, at least in the case of the silencer and the .22 air rifle, and a 12 bore shotgun, and not forgetting Anthony Pargeters .22 bolt action rifle, if it was there or not?

'Z' showed me a photograph of Sheila on the bed when there was only one wound present there - if you were to look at this photograph and take out the upper entry wound and accompanying trail of blood and fingermarks from it, and also the horizontal type blood trail from the lower wound (which is an overlay from the blood from the upper entry wound, you would be left with the lower entry wound, and a vertical trail of dried blood running from the lower entry wound - this is as close to what I saw regarding blood flow from the lower wound in the photograph which 'Z' showed to me the other day:-

There was no rifle barrel against the neck in the photograph 'Z' showed me...


Mike, the air rifle was not left at whf.....it was given to me.....by the police themselves!  Therefore, I do believe it was not used..........and they had hold of that rifle along time before I got hold of it.

Funnt then...

Why police should seize it along with 12 bore shotgun and fingerprint it, and find fingerprints on both whIch police became Interested in? The .22 air rifle was eventually found by relatives at bottom of small stairs in kitchen, within a very short distance of Ralph` body, and on the route Sheila took to get upstairs. There is even a belief that the rifle which WPC Jeapes saw leaning against the bedroom window before armed police went in, could have been the air rifle which was used to inflict the first shot...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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« Reply #704 on: November 08, 2011, 08:30:AM »
A serious question for Mike..... Mike this is a very critical stage in Jeremy's fight for freedom and to prove his innocence.  I am amazed at how much time and effort you have given to this case over many years and for that pro Bamber's are truly grateful.  I was just thinking if you could see a time when you would hand over all the documents in your possession to Jeremy's legal team (especially now dynamic Simon is on board) and really let them do their stuff.  If anyone can free Jeremy then it will be them.  This is so serious Mike, I think if I was you I would hand over the documents and call it a day for the forum.  I would be happy that my work is done and that my friend Jeremy is being represented legally and highly professionally, something that I am not.  What do you think to my statement Mike? This is certainly not a criticism of you at all, just my thoughts about what I would have done.  All the best Mike.