you should all know this?

[Roch]

an informant who exposes wrongdoing within an organization in the hope of stopping it; "the law gives little protection to whistleblowers who feel the public has a right to know what is going on. I can understand forum members getting their backs up, but if z exsists mike and z have to tread carefully and i'm sure z will have told what mike can and cannot say or he will not be told anything else. If i was z the first person i would have gone to would have been mike to seek his advice for the way forward, and i'm sure things happen backstage that were not told about.

Your post provides a decent contrast to all the doubt that has been offered up, in relation to 'Z'.  I think everyone is naturally cautious on this.. but to differing degrees.

[Roch]

There was a delay between Sheila's body being found downstairs, and her shooting herself once in the side of the neck by use of the .22 air rifle, upstairs in the bedroom

The delay presumably caused by her somehow getting upstairs.  I have a feeling you are going to say there was a pursuit / stand-off situation?

This is not my account, it is the account given to me recently by 'Z'...

Can we be given any more of Z's account Mike?

[mike tesko]

'Z' s account of what police found once they got into the kitchen

Enter the fray - senior police officers, and because of the changing circumstances within the farmhouse, a change in leadership of the firearms operation, from PS Adams to PI Montgomery...

[Roch]

'Z' s account of what police found once they got into the kitchen

Enter the fray - senior police officers, and because of the changing circumstances within the farmhouse, a change in leadership of the firearms operation, from PS Adams to PI Montgomery...

Couldn't it be argued by EP that Montgomery took over simply because the raid aspect of the operation had been completed?

[mike tesko]

'Z' s account of what police found once they got into the kitchen

There was a great deal of confusion amongst all the police officers inside whf at that stage, and they made another mistake of creeping downstairs via the main stairs at the front of the house, and down the back stairs at the side of the house, in an effort to locate Sheila, and with a view to carrying out another search of all the downstairs rooms if they did not come across her body in the meantime...

meanwhile...

Senior officers barricaded themselves in the kitchen by use of the kitchen table which was up-righted and pushed against a door to try and prevent Sheila coming back into the kitchen that way...

[Roch]

'Z' s account of what police found once they got into the kitchen

There was a great deal of confusion amongst all the police officers inside whf at that stage, and they made another mistake of creeping downstairs via the main stairs at the front of the house, and down the back stairs at the side of the house, in an effort to locate Sheila, and with a view to carrying out another search of all the downstairs rooms if they did not come across her body in the meantime...

meanwhile...

Senior officers barricaded themselves in the kitchen by use of the kitchen table which was up-righted and pushed against a door to try and prevent Sheila coming back into the kitchen that way...

The lower part is your argument Mike.

[mike tesko]

'Z' s account of what police found once they got into the kitchen

Enter the fray - senior police officers, and because of the changing circumstances within the farmhouse, a change in leadership of the firearms operation, from PS Adams to PI Montgomery...

Couldn't it be argued by EP that Montgomery took over simply because the raid aspect of the operation had been completed?

According to 'Z', change in leadership from Adams to Montgomery at that crucial stage, was a source of much aggravation and displeasure...

[mike tesko]

'Z' s account of what police found once they got into the kitchen

There was a great deal of confusion amongst all the police officers inside whf at that stage, and they made another mistake of creeping downstairs via the main stairs at the front of the house, and down the back stairs at the side of the house, in an effort to locate Sheila, and with a view to carrying out another search of all the downstairs rooms if they did not come across her body in the meantime...

meanwhile...

Senior officers barricaded themselves in the kitchen by use of the kitchen table which was up-righted and pushed against a door to try and prevent Sheila coming back into the kitchen that way...

The lower part is your argument Mike.

I am recounting what 'Z' told me, some of it overlaps what I have always believed to be true, so yes, it does accord with my own version of events, but as I say I am only repeating here, what 'Z' told me...

[mike tesko]

'Z' s account of what police found once they got into the kitchen

There was a great deal of confusion amongst all the police officers inside whf at that stage, and they made another mistake of creeping downstairs via the main stairs at the front of the house, and down the back stairs at the side of the house, in an effort to locate Sheila, and with a view to carrying out another search of all the downstairs rooms if they did not come across her body in the meantime...

meanwhile...

Senior officers barricaded themselves in the kitchen by use of the kitchen table which was up-righted and pushed against a door to try and prevent Sheila coming back into the kitchen that way...

Senior officers who were trapped inside kitchen at that stage were (1) Montgomery, (2) Harris and (3) Gibbons

[mike tesko]

'Z' s account of what police found once they got into the kitchen

Whilst trapped in the Kitchen at this time, Harris was requested to contact CC Peter Simpson at DHQ by use of the land line in the kitchen. This caused Harris to pick up the handset from the kitchen worktop and he depressed the cradle and dialled Simpsons telephone number, this was at about 8:15am, and coincided with the operator claiming that the connection from the scene to police control room was terminated...

Link between scene and ACC Simpson was kept open until shot rang out upstairs and Sheila's body was found on the bed...

'Z' says this is what happened up to the point when Sheila's body was on the bed with only one wound to her neck...

[Roch]

'Z' s account of what police found once they got into the kitchen

Whilst trapped in the Kitchen at this time, Harris was requested to contact CC peter Simpson at DHQ by use of the land line in the kitchen. This caused Harris to pick up the handset from the kitchen worktop and he depressed the cradle and dialled Simpsons telephone number, this was at about 8:15am, and coincided with the operator claiming that the connection from the scene to police control room was terminated...

Is the copy made of audio recordings still sought by the defence?  Imagine if the tape ever came to light? Wow that would be some find.

[mike tesko]

'Z' s account of what police found once they got into the kitchen

Whilst trapped in the Kitchen at this time, Harris was requested to contact CC peter Simpson at DHQ by use of the land line in the kitchen. This caused Harris to pick up the handset from the kitchen worktop and he depressed the cradle and dialled Simpsons telephone number, this was at about 8:15am, and coincided with the operator claiming that the connection from the scene to police control room was terminated...

Is the copy made of audio recordings still sought by the defence?  Imagine if the tape ever came to light? Wow that would be some find.

Police are saying audio recordings have been destroyed, in keeping with policy in force at that time - kept for a month then tapes are reused? 'Z' says police did not destroy these...

[mike tesko]

'Z' s account of what police found once they got upstairs into the bedroom

eventually, Dr Craig and Pi Miller arrive at the scene and visit the bedroom and confirm Sheila to be (on the bed) and dead, at a time when she only has one wound to her neck/throat...

[Roch]

'Z' s account of what police found once they got into the kitchen

Whilst trapped in the Kitchen at this time, Harris was requested to contact CC peter Simpson at DHQ by use of the land line in the kitchen. This caused Harris to pick up the handset from the kitchen worktop and he depressed the cradle and dialled Simpsons telephone number, this was at about 8:15am, and coincided with the operator claiming that the connection from the scene to police control room was terminated...

Is the copy made of audio recordings still sought by the defence?  Imagine if the tape ever came to light? Wow that would be some find.

Police are saying audio recordings have been destroyed, in keeping with policy in force at that time - kept for a month then tapes are reused? 'Z' says police did not destroy these...

I've long felt that the entire hoard of whatever they have, should be seized without warning, by an appropriate authority acting in the interests of redeeming any semblance of integrity in this case.

[guest7363]

Im a true believer of good over evil and iv'e always thought that people like z exsit and   would come forward inthis case and to take this oppertunity to say well done. I had a similar thing happen to me were even though iwas not involved in a explosive incident i was asked to cover up, i refused and came clean the next day letting a lot of people down as i thought but the guilt i would have carried for the rest of my life far outwayed any friendship. Hope this helps