you should all know this?

[mike tesko]

if i had been you or z ?

either, 'Z' or me, and or both...

Have you got any idea what sort of pressure 'Z' is/has been under, to get into a position to contact somebody like me, with all the history I have got, and all the troubles I have had to endure and put up with and live through, why did 'Z' have to contact me, why didn't 'Z' go to the CCRC herself/himslef , or contact Jeremy's legal team? That is a question for 'Z', not me...

[Roch]

I'd like to read more from forum members who fall inside the 'guilty camp'.   I'd like to see what they think are the reasons behind Mike employing the use of a false informant in the person of 'Z'. 

Let's see their reasoning for Mike to use such a ploy.  At the moment, all of the challenging is coming from forum members from my side of the fence.   

[mertol22]

if i had been you or z ?

pardon my view but information is normally traded,if copies of these pictures exist when were they done, the more copies you have the greater chance of a leak in the line, just a thought.

[andrea]

right, had i been you mike, i would have informed jb's legal team that i had been approached by an ex Essex cop involved in the case at the time. After any such meeting i would have informed them again at the nearest opportunity and i would tell them everything.


Had i been Z, i would have given you the pics of sheila, nobody would know that they came from me as i wasnt the only person with access to them.

[andrea]

Those photos mike you say z has, are surley of massive importance?

If they show sheila on the bed with one bullet wound to the neck?  instead of sheila on the floor with 2 bullet wounds to her neck, wouldnt that be enough for the ccrc to reffer?


Have jb's legal team been informed mike, thats all i have been asking, a simple yes or no?

[mike tesko]

right, had i been you mike, i would have informed jb's legal team that i had been approached by an ex Essex cop involved in the case at the time. After any such meeting i would have informed them again at the nearest opportunity and I would tell them everything.


Had i been Z, i would have given you the pics of sheila, nobody would know that they came from me as i wasnt the only person with access to them.

As I understand it, Jeremy's legal team and Jeremy himself may already know about my meetings with 'Z', and what purportedly took place on the two occasions I have met with her/him. I can't believe that what I have been posting in the forum has not been reported to Jeremy, because he gets an update every day about what is spoken about on the forum, from several sources...

I am not 'Z' (nor Smiffy) and I can't speak for 'Z' about what 'Z' should have done, or did, I can only report what happened, in the way it did happen - he brought three photographs which I had not seen before to show me, I saw them and i have reported what  saw in them...

[chochokeira]

right, had i been you mike, i would have informed jb's legal team that i had been approached by an ex Essex cop involved in the case at the time. After any such meeting i would have informed them again at the nearest opportunity and i would tell them everything.


Had i been Z, i would have given you the pics of sheila, nobody would know that they came from me as i wasnt the only person with access to them.

If I were Z - thinking entirely from Z's possible perspective, not my own - I might be reluctant to hand those pictures over: they're valuable and I might want to sell them.

[andrea]

So, you havent informed his legal team then mike? thanks thats all i wanted to know.

[andrea]

right, had i been you mike, i would have informed jb's legal team that i had been approached by an ex Essex cop involved in the case at the time. After any such meeting i would have informed them again at the nearest opportunity and i would tell them everything.


Had i been Z, i would have given you the pics of sheila, nobody would know that they came from me as i wasnt the only person with access to them.

If I were Z - thinking entirely from Z's possible perspective, not my own - I might be reluctant to hand those pictures over: they're valuable and I might want to sell them.

sell them to who?

[mertol22]

Mike how long did you view the pictures? could you see anything different in each, was Sheila still alive at this point ?

[mertol22]

right, had i been you mike, i would have informed jb's legal team that i had been approached by an ex Essex cop involved in the case at the time. After any such meeting i would have informed them again at the nearest opportunity and i would tell them everything.


Had i been Z, i would have given you the pics of sheila, nobody would know that they came from me as i wasnt the only person with access to them.

If I were Z - thinking entirely from Z's possible perspective, not my own - I might be reluctant to hand those pictures over: they're valuable and I might want to sell them.

my thoughts too Chocho, everything has a price.

[mike tesko]

Those photos mike you say z has, are surley of massive importance?

If they show sheila on the bed with one bullet wound to the neck?  instead of sheila on the floor with 2 bullet wounds to her neck, wouldnt that be enough for the ccrc to reffer?


Have jb's legal team been informed mike, thats all i have been asking, a simple yes or no?

Yes, that is the point...

That was why 'Z' brought that particular photograph to show me, it was a significant moment in our meeting, it opened it all up for the truth to become known and laid bare...

It became clear why senior officers decided to cover it up, and why police stage managed Sheila's body on the bedroom floor, nothing could have been any clearer, once 'Z' showed me that picture. It completely befuddled me because that other photograph I have seen of Sheila on the bed, she had two wounds, not one...

I have not personally been in contact with Jeremy's legal team to tell them about this, no - but I gather they have been told about it...

[chochokeira]

right, had i been you mike, i would have informed jb's legal team that i had been approached by an ex Essex cop involved in the case at the time. After any such meeting i would have informed them again at the nearest opportunity and i would tell them everything.


Had i been Z, i would have given you the pics of sheila, nobody would know that they came from me as i wasnt the only person with access to them.

If I were Z - thinking entirely from Z's possible perspective, not my own - I might be reluctant to hand those pictures over: they're valuable and I might want to sell them.

sell them to who?

The press, the defence team, or anyone who might wish to keep Jeremy in prison.

[Roch]

right, had i been you mike, i would have informed jb's legal team that i had been approached by an ex Essex cop involved in the case at the time. After any such meeting i would have informed them again at the nearest opportunity and i would tell them everything.


Had i been Z, i would have given you the pics of sheila, nobody would know that they came from me as i wasnt the only person with access to them.

If I were Z - thinking entirely from Z's possible perspective, not my own - I might be reluctant to hand those pictures over: they're valuable and I might want to sell them.

sell them to who?

The press, the defence team, or anyone who might wish to keep Jeremy in prison.

That's a frightening thought.  In my opinion (if Z is genuine) then they need to be 'brought in from the cold' in conjunction with the CCRC or elements within the authorities who are not tainted with perpetuating Bamber's imprisonment / have become aware of the scandal / are sympathetic to Bamber.  I think the point Mike makes about DCI Taff Jones is a fair one.

[mertol22]

Police officers die every year , DCI Taff Jones may have known too much whatever he knew he took to the grave in the light of these recent events we might just find out what it was.