Damning Evidence kept back by Ann Eaton/Barbara Wilson - threats to kill by SC

[Hartley]

I was trying to be sarcastic.

You want to watch that, you might cut somebody.  :D

[Roch]

If Shelia had said "Bad people should DIE" thats one thing but saying "KILLED" shows very clearly her and state of mind and indicates possible intent.

Yes, the term “SHOULD BE KILLED“ is a clear reference to future events, and the desire to “KILL“...More importantly, to kill everybody, not just a specific person. Everybody could so easily include her parents, her children, and herself. It now becomes clear why DCI “Taff“ Jones held the belief that Sheila killed everyone, including herself, but that before she killed Ralph she got him to try and lure Jeremy to the scene, so that she could kill him as well...

DCI Jones obviously knew about Sheila`s comments, “ ALL PEOPLE ARE BAD AND SHOULD BE KILLED“...

Mike, I think you are missing something here.  Relatives are 'totally convinced' of Jeremy's guilt.  That belief and sworn police testimony, are obviously stronger than crime scene photographs and any statements of intent from Sheila to kill everyone.  Come on now.  This is not rocket science.  Bamber must have got wind of this statement and seized upon his chance to carry out the killings and frame his sister.  He knew it would look more convincing if he made it look as though Sheila had been killed at the same time as the police raid.

(Sorry, couldn't help it).

It is not even known who made the statements for the police, or who edited them, or the dates they were made, edited and if the statements in question were even signed by the person making them, or in whose name they were made in - so if that's the standard of evidence which over rides evidence contained in crime scene photographs, then how can these convictions be deemed safe if supported by such Mickey Mouse evidence?

Tell you wha...

What if somebody made an unsigned statement for one of the police officers at the scene, saying that Sheia's body was originally found in the kitchen, and that she did not die in the bedroom until after police got into the house?

Would the CCRC accept that statement and say it was more powerful than crime scene photographs, or what the relatives believe?

What relatives believe and statements which have been made for the police and edited for them in their absence by some nameless and faceless conspirator who has nothing better to do but make false statements for somebody else, should be consigned to the garbage can, and all those involved prosecuted for perverting the course of justice...

Unless its legal to falsify evidence when it supports the prosecutions case?

Pretty much agree there.  However, in relation to the provisional decision from CCRC:  At which point did EP explanation for hand movements arise?  Was this explanation provided only in response to the crime scene images submitted by the defence?

[Roch]

I was trying to be sarcastic.

You want to watch that, you might cut somebody.  :D

I would hate the thought of that.  I think I'm just trying to have a go at what appears (to me) to be ludicrous in this case 

[chochokeira]

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Thank you so much for posting this, deedar, it's fascinating and so helpful. Interesting too that Sheila scored positive on so many of these indicators.

[mike tesko]

This damning statement which Sheila made, “ALL PEOPLE ARE BAD AND SHOULD BE KILLED”, was not reported to Sheila`s psychiatrist, DR Ferguson, and therefore he was not able to comment upon it in his report for the court, or give an explanation about any significance it may have on Sheila`s ability to have carried out these shootings?

On the other hand...

Prosecution witnesses, Barbara. Wilson, Ann Eaton and DS`Stan` Jones, all knew and kept this crucial information and evidence to themselves, since to disclose it would certainly undermine the prosecutions case...

[shonapugs]

The writing on the note is pretty awful, but doesn't it say "words to the effect"? That's not verbatim.

[grahameb]

The writing on the note is pretty awful, but doesn't it say "words to the effect"? That's not verbatim.

Well spotted Shona.

[mike tesko]

The writing on the note is pretty awful, but doesn't it say "words to the effect"? That's not verbatim.

She could have said, "I'm going to kill everyone, including my parents and my children, and Jeremy" - Barbara Wilsons version could have been watered down from the truth...

[chochokeira]

The writing on the note is pretty awful, but doesn't it say "words to the effect"? That's not verbatim.

Hi Shona! BW was an accounts person, wasn't she? Renowned for her well organised memory and sense of recall, for her reliablity and precise accuracy, hence her long term employment by two of Nevill's businesses? I'm not a gambling woman but I would lay a bet on the statement BW recalled representing, at the very least, the precise essence of what she had been told.

[SUMMER]

Is Barbara Wilson still alive?
Could she be brought into court to make a sworn statement as to
exactly what was said, and to whom, by Sheila?
Whatever the circumstances, it seems so important that the whole
issue needs to be cleared up.

[shonapugs]

The writing on the note is pretty awful, but doesn't it say "words to the effect"? That's not verbatim.

Hi Shona! BW was an accounts person, wasn't she? Renowned for her well organised memory and sense of recall, for her reliablity and precise accuracy, hence her long term employment by two of Nevill's businesses? I'm not a gambling woman but I would lay a bet on the statement BW recalled representing, at the very least, the precise essence of what she had been told.

Hallo, Choch. This is a tough one, because it relies on BW's memory, and words said in the heat of the moment, I suppose. Sheila was unstable at times, and could have said things that she didn't mean, and later regretted. If I had a pound for every time I said to one of my girls "I could kill your father" I wouldn't have to do the lottery.

[chochokeira]

The writing on the note is pretty awful, but doesn't it say "words to the effect"? That's not verbatim.

Hi Shona! BW was an accounts person, wasn't she? Renowned for her well organised memory and sense of recall, for her reliability and precise accuracy, hence her long term employment by two of Nevill's businesses? I'm not a gambling woman but I would lay a bet on the statement BW recalled representing, at the very least, the precise essence of what she had been told.

Hallo, Choch. This is a tough one, because it relies on BW's memory, and words said in the heat of the moment, I suppose. Sheila was unstable at times, and could have said things that she didn't mean, and later regretted. If I had a pound for every time I said to one of my girls "I could kill your father" I wouldn't have to do the lottery.

Gallows hyperbole, much loved by Hartley; anyone for the planet Twizzle? Yes, you may have a point. I had a boyfriend once who threatened to kill his parents on an almost daily basis. He detested them for forcing him to be a Sunday school teacher, so he stole from the church collection to buy his fags and would describe in lurid detail how he would borrow a gun from his school and shoot them both. But that cuts both ways, doesn't it? Gallows hyperbole is what I believe lies at the heart of JM's claims regarding Jeremy.

[shonapugs]

The writing on the note is pretty awful, but doesn't it say "words to the effect"? That's not verbatim.

Hi Shona! BW was an accounts person, wasn't she? Renowned for her well organised memory and sense of recall, for her reliability and precise accuracy, hence her long term employment by two of Nevill's businesses? I'm not a gambling woman but I would lay a bet on the statement BW recalled representing, at the very least, the precise essence of what she had been told.

Hallo, Choch. This is a tough one, because it relies on BW's memory, and words said in the heat of the moment, I suppose. Sheila was unstable at times, and could have said things that she didn't mean, and later regretted. If I had a pound for every time I said to one of my girls "I could kill your father" I wouldn't have to do the lottery.

Gallows hyperbole, much loved by Hartley; anyone for the planet Twizzle? Yes, you may have a point. I had a boyfriend once who threatened to kill his parents on an almost daily basis. He detested them for forcing him to be a Sunday school teacher, so he stole from the church collection to buy his fags and would describe in lurid detail how he would borrow a gun from his school and shoot them both. But that cuts both ways, doesn't it? Gallows hyperbole is what I believe lies at the heart of JM's claims regarding Jeremy.

Did you ever tell anyone what your boyfriend was threatening to do?

[chochokeira]

The writing on the note is pretty awful, but doesn't it say "words to the effect"? That's not verbatim.

Hi Shona! BW was an accounts person, wasn't she? Renowned for her well organised memory and sense of recall, for her reliability and precise accuracy, hence her long term employment by two of Nevill's businesses? I'm not a gambling woman but I would lay a bet on the statement BW recalled representing, at the very least, the precise essence of what she had been told.

Hallo, Choch. This is a tough one, because it relies on BW's memory, and words said in the heat of the moment, I suppose. Sheila was unstable at times, and could have said things that she didn't mean, and later regretted. If I had a pound for every time I said to one of my girls "I could kill your father" I wouldn't have to do the lottery.

Gallows hyperbole, much loved by Hartley; anyone for the planet Twizzle? Yes, you may have a point. I had a boyfriend once who threatened to kill his parents on an almost daily basis. He detested them for forcing him to be a Sunday school teacher, so he stole from the church collection to buy his fags and would describe in lurid detail how he would borrow a gun from his school and shoot them both. But that cuts both ways, doesn't it? Gallows hyperbole is what I believe lies at the heart of JM's claims regarding Jeremy.

Did you ever tell anyone what your boyfriend was threatening to do?

Why would I? He didn't dump me...in fact...

[chochokeira]

Can you fill in the gap, Shon'?