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No, I don't think that amounted to very much either.

But was it heard in Court?

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Hartley , do you believe the statement at the beginning of this thread should have been shown to the court , the court that tried JB ?

Can you tell me your reason for posing this question to me please?
I am interested in your view as you believe JB is guilty , if you prefer i will pose the question to all those who believe JB guilty !!

I think really we need to look at Barbara's statements before we can come to any other conclusions at all.

A statement was made by her on 26/11/85 which only details the telephones, she also made a statement on 27/9/85 which is not available on this forum.
May i ask why ? If you were shown it to be a fact that she made this statement , do you believe it should have been shown to the court that tried JB , regardless of any other statement she did or did not make ?

I am slightly confused. Which statement are you referring to then?

Do you mean this attachment?
Yes maybe statement is the wrong word , my question is , do you think this should have been shown to the court , and the people mentioned in it asked to explain ?

The point I was making is that I would need to be convinced that it wasn't, hence why I would like to see all of Wilsons statements. In it's current form it doesn't really amount to very much.

Typical response....

Yet, when Robert Boutflour recounted an alleged conversation he had with Jeremy about security at the caravan park, where Boutflour alleged Jeremy said he could quite easily kill his parents, suddenly this was an important piece of evidence which the prosecutions case was built around and upon...

Selective evidence, thats what the prosecutions case is/was all about...

If information existed to suggest that Sheila believed all people were bad, and that they all should die, this is evidence that should have been brought to the attention of the court, and to the attention of her psychiatrist...

If Sheila made such comments, then of course it was and is relevant to the five deaths which happened at whf, particularly because Essex police originally were prepared to accept that Sheila killed everyone, and then herself...

No, I don't think that amounted to very much either.

Do you have Wilsons other stayements and would you consider posting them, she made four in total as I understand it.

It may not have amounted to much as you say, but that was because it was Robert Boutflours word against Jeremy's, and Jeremy denied saying such a thing whilst testifying. On the other hand, in Sheila's case, she could not refute the words attributed to her, and therefore it would have carried more weight, and words that were not considered by the court, even though several prosecution witnesses obviously knew about it?

I have copies of everybody's statements...

Mrs Wilson makes a statement about the four bibles which were normally kept at whf, and the fact that once the farmhouse was handed back to the family, there were two missing:-

Lets get the facts right so that there can be no misunderstanding, (1) a blue covered bible, and (2) a black covered bible...

Police have never released any information about what ever happened to (2) the black covered bible, I wonder why?

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No, I don't think that amounted to very much either.

But was it heard in Court?

Yes, Robert Boutflour recounted the alleged events when Jeremy supposedly made such comments, but when Jeremy testified he refuted it...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Hartley , do you believe the statement at the beginning of this thread should have been shown to the court , the court that tried JB ?

Can you tell me your reason for posing this question to me please?
I am interested in your view as you believe JB is guilty , if you prefer i will pose the question to all those who believe JB guilty !!

I think really we need to look at Barbara's statements before we can come to any other conclusions at all.

A statement was made by her on 26/11/85 which only details the telephones, she also made a statement on 27/9/85 which is not available on this forum.
May i ask why ? If you were shown it to be a fact that she made this statement , do you believe it should have been shown to the court that tried JB , regardless of any other statement she did or did not make ?

I am slightly confused. Which statement are you referring to then?

Do you mean this attachment?
Yes maybe statement is the wrong word , my question is , do you think this should have been shown to the court , and the people mentioned in it asked to explain ?

The point I was making is that I would need to be convinced that it wasn't, hence why I would like to see all of Wilsons statements. In it's current form it doesn't really amount to very much.

Typical response....

Yet, when Robert Boutflour recounted an alleged conversation he had with Jeremy about security at the caravan park, where Boutflour alleged Jeremy said he could quite easily kill his parents, suddenly this was an important piece of evidence which the prosecutions case was built around and upon...

Selective evidence, thats what the prosecutions case is/was all about...

If information existed to suggest that Sheila believed all people were bad, and that they all should die, this is evidence that should have been brought to the attention of the court, and to the attention of her psychiatrist...

If Sheila made such comments, then of course it was and is relevant to the five deaths which happened at whf, particularly because Essex police originally were prepared to accept that Sheila killed everyone, and then herself...

No, I don't think that amounted to very much either.

Do you have Wilsons other stayements and would you consider posting them, she made four in total as I understand it.

It may not have amounted to much as you say, but that was because it was Robert Boutflours word against Jeremy's, and Jeremy denied saying such a thing whilst testifying. On the other hand, in Sheila's case, she could not refute the words attributed to her, and therefore it would have carried more weight, and words that were not considered by the court, even though several prosecution witnesses obviously knew about it?

I have copies of everybody's statements...

Mrs Wilson makes a statement about the four bibles which were normally kept at whf, and the fact that once the farmhouse was handed back to the family, there were two missing:-

Lets get the facts right so that there can be no misunderstanding, (1) a blue covered bible, and (2) a black covered bible...

Police have never released any information about what ever happened to (2) the black covered bible, I wonder why?

Let's stay on topic here, are you willing to post Wilsons other statements, which the defence had a copy of.

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No, I don't think that amounted to very much either.

But was it heard in Court?

It probably was but it's not in the court transcript posted on this forum, maybe Mike would like to clarify the matter by posting the relevant section?

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Hartley , do you believe the statement at the beginning of this thread should have been shown to the court , the court that tried JB ?

Can you tell me your reason for posing this question to me please?
I am interested in your view as you believe JB is guilty , if you prefer i will pose the question to all those who believe JB guilty !!

I think really we need to look at Barbara's statements before we can come to any other conclusions at all.

A statement was made by her on 26/11/85 which only details the telephones, she also made a statement on 27/9/85 which is not available on this forum.
May i ask why ? If you were shown it to be a fact that she made this statement , do you believe it should have been shown to the court that tried JB , regardless of any other statement she did or did not make ?

I am slightly confused. Which statement are you referring to then?

Do you mean this attachment?
Yes maybe statement is the wrong word , my question is , do you think this should have been shown to the court , and the people mentioned in it asked to explain ?

The point I was making is that I would need to be convinced that it wasn't, hence why I would like to see all of Wilsons statements. In it's current form it doesn't really amount to very much.

Typical response....

Yet, when Robert Boutflour recounted an alleged conversation he had with Jeremy about security at the caravan park, where Boutflour alleged Jeremy said he could quite easily kill his parents, suddenly this was an important piece of evidence which the prosecutions case was built around and upon...

Selective evidence, thats what the prosecutions case is/was all about...

If information existed to suggest that Sheila believed all people were bad, and that they all should die, this is evidence that should have been brought to the attention of the court, and to the attention of her psychiatrist...

If Sheila made such comments, then of course it was and is relevant to the five deaths which happened at whf, particularly because Essex police originally were prepared to accept that Sheila killed everyone, and then herself...

No, I don't think that amounted to very much either.

Do you have Wilsons other stayements and would you consider posting them, she made four in total as I understand it.

It may not have amounted to much as you say, but that was because it was Robert Boutflours word against Jeremy's, and Jeremy denied saying such a thing whilst testifying. On the other hand, in Sheila's case, she could not refute the words attributed to her, and therefore it would have carried more weight, and words that were not considered by the court, even though several prosecution witnesses obviously knew about it?

I have copies of everybody's statements...

Mrs Wilson makes a statement about the four bibles which were normally kept at whf, and the fact that once the farmhouse was handed back to the family, there were two missing:-

Lets get the facts right so that there can be no misunderstanding, (1) a blue covered bible, and (2) a black covered bible...

Police have never released any information about what ever happened to (2) the black covered bible, I wonder why?

Let's stay on topic here, are you willing to post Wilsons other statements, which the defence had a copy of.

I am...

But there is nothing about the comments which she has attributed to Sheila, "ALL PEOPLE ARE BAD, AND SHOULD BE KILLED"...
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No, I don't think that amounted to very much either.

But was it heard in Court?

It probably was but it's not in the court transcript posted on this forum, maybe Mike would like to clarify the matter by posting the relevant section?

In due course, I  will be posting the full court transcript from the trial...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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No, I don't think that amounted to very much either.

But was it heard in Court?

It probably was but it's not in the court transcript posted on this forum, maybe Mike would like to clarify the matter by posting the relevant section?

In due course, I  will be posting the full court transcript from the trial...
That sounds good, the more information the better.

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No, I don't think that amounted to very much either.

But was it heard in Court?

It probably was but it's not in the court transcript posted on this forum, maybe Mike would like to clarify the matter by posting the relevant section?

In due course, I  will be posting the full court transcript from the trial...
That sounds good, the more information the better.
Any decent person  looking for justice to be served in this case , would say this note should have been investigated and shown to the court trying JB !!

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No, I don't think that amounted to very much either.

But was it heard in Court?

It probably was but it's not in the court transcript posted on this forum, maybe Mike would like to clarify the matter by posting the relevant section?

In due course, I  will be posting the full court transcript from the trial...
That sounds good, the more information the better.
Any decent person  looking for justice to be served in this case , would say this note should have been investigated and shown to the court trying JB !!
Vidvic , do you believe this note should have been shown to the jury ?

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I have no idea whether it was or wasn't. Mike was going to post a full transcript from the trial. There isn't any confirmation from this note whether these words were heard or not or by whom.
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