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Offline petey

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Re: Essex police found evidence that Sheila fired rifle (SC/688/85)
« Reply #210 on: October 20, 2011, 07:41:PM »
Work as lawyer. Graduated years ago. I'm merely expressing an opinion. I sincerely hope that JB is innocent, which is why I hope for as strong evidence that he is as possible. Don't really understand your reference to ip addresses. If you mean mine, you will see this is only the third time I have ever posted.

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Re: Essex police found evidence that Sheila fired rifle (SC/688/85)
« Reply #211 on: October 20, 2011, 07:46:PM »
I stated last month that I am about 70-80% convinced of JB's innocence, although to be fair that is based solely on work covered during my law degree and information I have picked up from this forum and reading other internet material and Scott Lomax's book. I have no inside track on the case.  I have nothing but respect for all posters, most of whom know a lot more about the case than me.  However, as someone who at present believes JB is innocent, I am just disappointed that in the recent threads, posts by anti JB people, such as Hartley, Vidvic and Shonapugs come across as far more articulate and believeable than those from the pro JB supporters. This is not a criticism, but looking in from the outside I hoped to read strong points from JB posters, expressing clear points which would further convince me that JB is innocent. Sadly at present this does not appear to be the case, although I still believe JB is innocent, perhaps not as strongly as I originally did.

petey, the problem with Jeremy's conviction, is that it is  based on a jilted girlfriends word.
A girlfriend, who, if she had gone to the Police prior to the killings, could perhaps have prevented this tragedy.
A girlfriend who carried on her relationship with Jeremy for weeks after the murders, until he ended
the relationship.
It is the total lack of forensic evedence linking Jeremy to the crimes.
Also the thorough destruction of almost all remaining evidence, by the Police, even though they had  been expressly told to preserve it as D.N.A research had become available.
I don't know if Jeremy is guilty or innocent, but I do see that any chance of proving his innocence
has been destroyed by Essex Police.
This makes alarm bells ring for me - someone is covering up something - it makes me despair for
any of us ever knowing the truth behind the murders at White Hous Farm. ???

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Re: Essex police found evidence that Sheila fired rifle (SC/688/85)
« Reply #212 on: October 20, 2011, 07:59:PM »
Petey
I don't care if you are 8 foot dressed in women's clothes but unfortunately we are not stupid on here.

Hartley is so @@@@ing articulate he has to make out he was someone else and say he is impartial because he is not getting anywhere on this forum trying to persuade people Jeremy is guilty


You are not very good at this game petey you will have to get a lot sharper to catch me out

Go and play on one of the bends outside WHF

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Re: Essex police found evidence that Sheila fired rifle (SC/688/85)
« Reply #213 on: October 20, 2011, 08:37:PM »
According to the photographic schedule created by PC David Bird (soc) he only took nine photographs of Sheila at the scene in situ? I am reproducing the COLP records which they obtained as part of their investigation into the handling of this case by Essex police:-

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Re: Essex police found evidence that Sheila fired rifle (SC/688/85)
« Reply #214 on: October 20, 2011, 08:39:PM »
Now...

Look at this crime scene photograph, and the number (32) allocated to it, in sequence:-
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Re: Essex police found evidence that Sheila fired rifle (SC/688/85)
« Reply #215 on: October 20, 2011, 08:45:PM »
Look at the position of the end of the rifles barrel, and take note where Sheila's right hand is resting in conjunction with the marks on the front lower part of her nightdress - at this stage, the hand had not yet been removed from the rifle to expose the bloodied fingermarks on the nightdress, yet this was the last photograph taken by PC Bird, in a consecutive sequence of seven pictures...

Police did not move hand until after photograph 32 was taken, and they did not move the gun until after that, so that when they finished moving the gun around the barrel of the rifle was resting against Sheila's neck and throat...
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Re: Essex police found evidence that Sheila fired rifle (SC/688/85)
« Reply #216 on: October 20, 2011, 08:49:PM »
Aaaagh....


So now I have got your interest...

According to the photographic schedule produced by PC David Bird (soc), he only ever photographed the rifle in one position on the body? But if this is true, how come other photographs have materialized during the last couple of years which show the barrel of the rifle in a different position where it is resting against Sheila's neck/throat, rather than pointing towards it....
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Re: Essex police found evidence that Sheila fired rifle (SC/688/85)
« Reply #217 on: October 20, 2011, 08:56:PM »
Now I have got your interest...

Note how the position of the barrel has changed significantly where it has been moved from the vantage point of pointing in the general direction of the throat, into a totally different position of resting directly against Sheila's neck - oh, and the marks on the nightdress appear not to have been exposed so that you can see them clearly?
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Re: Essex police found evidence that Sheila fired rifle (SC/688/85)
« Reply #218 on: October 20, 2011, 08:57:PM »
How could Sheila's right hand have not moved, yet the position of the rifles barrel has?
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Re: Essex police found evidence that Sheila fired rifle (SC/688/85)
« Reply #219 on: October 20, 2011, 09:01:PM »
Now, remember...

PC David Bird only took two further pictures of Sheila, after photograph 32, and these were of her left lef and left foot (69/83), and her right leg and her right foot (69/84), so who took the picture which shows the barrel of the rifle resting up against Sheila's neck./throat?

Who took this picture, if PC David Bird (soc) did not?

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Re: Essex police found evidence that Sheila fired rifle (SC/688/85)
« Reply #220 on: October 20, 2011, 09:03:PM »
How come there is no proper record which shows the order with which these crime scene pictures have been taken, and who took them, and why some of them do not form part and parcel of the MASTER COPY ALBUM (223), or the COURT ALBUM (50)?

Here, have a look at this, where in the grand sequence of events was this photograph taken, and by whom?
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Re: Essex police found evidence that Sheila fired rifle (SC/688/85)
« Reply #221 on: October 20, 2011, 09:06:PM »
In this crime scene picture, Sheila's right hand has been moved and re-positioned differently on the rifle, showing the bloodied fingermarks on the front lower right hand side of her nightdress - this photograph had to have been taken after picture 32, and the other one which shows the barrel of the gun resting against Sheila's neck and throat...

Yet who took the picture, and when?

Why is it that the police have tampered with the records relating to when these photographs were taken? Why conceal most of these photographs and more from the court which was trying these matters and Jeremy and his legal team, especially when the prosecutions case was alleging that Jeremy had been responsible for stage managing Sheila's body after she had died to make it look like a suicide - when all along these pictures clearly demonstrate that it was the police who are responsible for stage managing Sheila's body, and what is more, the police withheld the photographs which they took which was capable of proving that it was the police who stage managed Sheilas body, and that blamed Jeremy for doing something which the police themselves are guilty of and responsible for doing...


Not only have the police deliberately set out to deceive about the number of photographs they took, but they have also withheld crucial photographic material which was capable of negating the claim that Jeremy was responsible for stage managing Sheila's body, when the withheld photographs show the police were responsible for that...

Worse still, some of the negative strips which contained crucial stages of the police examination at the scene, have been cut out and disposed of...


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Re: Essex police found evidence that Sheila fired rifle (SC/688/85)
« Reply #222 on: October 20, 2011, 09:36:PM »
Petey
I don't care if you are 8 foot dressed in women's clothes but unfortunately we are not stupid on here.

Hartley is so @@@@ing articulate he has to make out he was someone else and say he is impartial because he is not getting anywhere on this forum trying to persuade people Jeremy is guilty


You are not very good at this game petey you will have to get a lot sharper to catch me out

Go and play on one of the bends outside WHF

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What does a post like this achieve, Jackie?

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Re: Essex police found evidence that Sheila fired rifle (SC/688/85)
« Reply #223 on: October 20, 2011, 09:42:PM »
Shona I don't understand your post at all you are mentioning the twins but if there is no evidence he murdered them why bring that up.

Do you agree it could have been one of the relatives or someone paid by the relatives to carry out the murders

Would you agree if the jury had details of mugfords now deal and full details of where the inheritance would go if jb was convicted

I think you have got more blind faith in jb being guilty than me in jb being innocent

I am always willing to look at any evidence that comes to light showing jb is guilty but there hasn't been anything in 26 years

No, I don't believe that the relatives had any involvement in the murders. I DO think that they concocted the silencer evidence to ensure that JB stayed where he belonged (IMO).
Right. That excludes the vital silencer evidence. That leaves you just believing in the testimony of one proven criminal and lier then?

Against the testimony of another proven criminal and liar? A little simplistic, but yes, I suppose it does.

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Re: Essex police found evidence that Sheila fired rifle (SC/688/85)
« Reply #224 on: October 20, 2011, 09:47:PM »
You're not really helping, eaton4.