I am prepared to take a lie detector test to prove Sheila was on bed in photo'..

[jackiepreece]

Wrong again Hartley
Keep making stupid comments like that

It's the complete opposite

I have asked Shona numerous times how the murders were carried out as she is so sure and I have even said I might have missed something that could make me think jb is guilty

She hates him very obviously yet still cannot come upwith how things happened that night

Her latest contribution to getting to the truth in this case is stating Simon McKay is a failed barrister

I am not going to mess up this forum for another day having petty arguments with you because you continue to be rude to a lot of posters and you will never change

[Hartley]

Wrong again Hartley
Keep making stupid comments like that

It's the complete opposite

I have asked Shona numerous times how the murders were carried out as she is so sure and I have even said I might have missed something that could make me think jb is guilty

She hates him very obviously yet still cannot come upwith how things happened that night

Her latest contribution to getting to the truth in this case is stating Simon McKay is a failed barrister

I am not going to mess up this forum for another day having petty arguments with you because you continue to be rude to a lot of posters and you will never change

So you repeatedly refer to me in your rude and obnoxious posts and yet you have the audacity to suggest that my comments are rude, stupid and are petty arguments?

I'm pretty sure you just said 'one word Lady Chelmsey', well I've just posted a link to the particular discussion you are referring to. You are the one making all the allegations.

By the way, I'm not sure how I can say this any clearer, I'm not Shona!

Anyway, your vitriol is becoming rather boring, try and stick to the case for a whole week without making any personal abusive or goading comments.

It doesn't matter what other people think, or whether other people agree or disagree with you, it's their opinion, not yours, if you have set your heart on trying to alter everybody else's opinion, then unfortunately you are setting yourself up for a fall, because it's not going to happen, not everybody sees things your way, just like not everybody sees things my way, and why should they?

[grahameb]

I can confirm that Hartley is not Shona. I must admit also that I am at a disadvantage to see just where he has been rude to other posters? Forgive me, all I can see are retaliative posts? Perhaps someone could enlighten me in regards to this?

[jackiepreece]

Grahame
When have I ever said Hartley is Shona?

Grahame I suggest you go back to last week and look at the messages to Keira and jon from Hartley and you will see he is rude condecending and obnoxious

[grahameb]

Grahame
When have I ever said Hartley is Shona?

Grahame I suggest you go back to last week and look at the messages to Keira and jon from Hartley and you will see he is rude condecending and obnoxious

I was referring to Hartley's post Jackie. Do you have a link to that please Jackie. I'm not the most observant of people on the forum I must admit.

[Hartley]

Grahame
When have I ever said Hartley is Shona?

Grahame I suggest you go back to last week and look at the messages to Keira and jon from Hartley and you will see he is rude condecending and obnoxious

I was referring to Hartley's post Jackie. Do you have a link to that please Jackie. I'm not the most observant of people on the forum I must admit.

Messages to and from Keira are in this thread: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1662.msg51213.html#msg51213
And all are in response to posts by Keira.

Messages to and from Jon are in the same thread but earlier: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1662.msg51184.html#msg51184 and this thread: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1415.msg51130.html#msg51130

Read them for yourself.

[jackiepreece]

grahame here is a little taster of good old Harts friend of the family who is not impartial and one of the rudest people I have ever come across







Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Jeremys Good News
« on: October 25, 2011, 10:31:PM »
Quote from: tyler on October 24, 2011, 09:20:PM
Hartley & Bob..........It would be more productive for you both to contribute to the discussion instead of just contributing to my smite rate? So sad,the pair of you!!


After months of a very high smite to applaud ratio, Tyler, this almost equalised while Hartley was off of the forum. Since Hartley's return I'm being smited several times a day, even when I don't post. I very rarely smite anyone but I've decided to make an exception in Hartley's case and now return his smites. Guess what? Every time I do so, I am smited shortly afterwards. I can keep this up as long as Hartley does, though I'm happy to view this as a draw if he stops smiting me.



Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Essex police refuse to produce schedule for Senior Investigating Officers album
« on: October 21, 2011, 01:08:AM »
Quote from: shonapugs on October 21, 2011, 12:54:AM
OK. That's fine. But please don't have a pop at Hartley. I don't mind if it's open season on me, I deserve it after my attack on smiffy, he's a plonker, but Hartley is  honest and true. IMO.


But I like you, Shon'. Anyway, while H was off the forum my smite ratio, pluses to minuses, fell to almost zero. Since H's return, I've been systematically smited. He sure gives me the time of day alright via that smite button.


*Apologies, too tired to be posting. My smite ratio had fallen to almost 1:1, with smites and pluses almost equal. It's now climbing like Billy-o again.


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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Essex police refuse to produce schedule for Senior Investigating Officers album
« on: October 21, 2011, 12:51:AM »
Quote from: Hartley on October 21, 2011, 12:45:AM
Quote from: chochokeira on October 21, 2011, 12:33:AM
Quote from: Hartley on October 21, 2011, 12:03:AM
Quote from: jon on October 20, 2011, 11:52:PM
Quote from: Hartley on October 20, 2011, 11:42:PM
Quote from: jon on October 20, 2011, 11:26:PM
Quote from: Hartley on October 20, 2011, 11:20:PM
Quote from: jon on October 20, 2011, 11:18:PM
Quote from: Hartley on October 20, 2011, 11:14:PM
Quote from: jon on October 20, 2011, 11:00:PM
Quote from: mertol22 on October 20, 2011, 10:11:PM
How on earth could Sheila have came to rest in that position this picture is so wrong.
Exactly , if experienced police officer's saw the body like this , they would have been shouting from the rooftop's , this body as been stage managed to look like a suicide , but not one of EP finest made one mention of it !! Which beg's the question , Why ?

What about taking a different angle. If it was so obvious, then surely the police officers would have staged the body better?

I don't think it was so obvious.
They did not think they were going to have to set JB up for murder at the time IMO !!

I assume that's a joke right?
It's far from a joke !!

So it's okay for you to say it's obviously staged, why didn't the police notice, but then you are quite happy to belive it was the police who badly and obviously staged the body. So your question was rhetorical?

The joke is that you accuse me of being selective, why did you single me out to ask for my take on Jeremy's list of allegations? Bearing in mind that you are clearly not interested in my view, being so steadfast in your own views, the exact thing that you accuse me of.   

Fair enough, that's your opinion, I apologise, I really did get the impression you were making a joke, but clearly not.
I am quite happy to read your view's regarding his guilt , feel free to point me in that direction anytime !!

I don't believe I've made any posts of that nature, well not many and none that I recall, the whole focus is on proving his innocence, not his guilt, in fact during the 2002 appeal the prosecution were refused permission to introduce new evidence to further their case.

You can accuse me of being one sided and biased to which I freely admit, but please do not pretend that you yourself are open to alternative views because from your reply above, clearly you are not.

I'd also appreciate it if you did not address further questions towards me, as you are clearly not interested in my answer other than to try and pick holes in it, again the very thing you accuse me of doing.

Thank you.


Congratulations, Jon, you've just joined the elite group of people that Hartley's sent to Coventry.

....Well, we're not very elite, actually, as there were about 36 of us at last count.

And the bar isn't set very high: the sole criteria is to ask a question that he doesn't wish to answer.

Get a grip, I have been more than accommodating in answering direct questions.

The reason I've stopped giving you the time of day and will continue to not do so, is because if you check your recent post history, 15 out of your last 20 or so posts have been all about digging into me. So it's hardly surprising really, is it? In fact you don't need to answer that.


Wake up and smell the coffee, Hartley. The reason for that is most of your last c 50 posts have been all about attacking and insulting Mike. So it's hardly surprising really, is it? In fact you don't need to answer that either.




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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Essex police refuse to produce schedule for Senior Investigating Officers album
« on: October 21, 2011, 12:33:AM »
Quote from: Hartley on October 21, 2011, 12:03:AM
Quote from: jon on October 20, 2011, 11:52:PM
Quote from: Hartley on October 20, 2011, 11:42:PM
Quote from: jon on October 20, 2011, 11:26:PM
Quote from: Hartley on October 20, 2011, 11:20:PM
Quote from: jon on October 20, 2011, 11:18:PM
Quote from: Hartley on October 20, 2011, 11:14:PM
Quote from: jon on October 20, 2011, 11:00:PM
Quote from: mertol22 on October 20, 2011, 10:11:PM
How on earth could Sheila have came to rest in that position this picture is so wrong.
Exactly , if experienced police officer's saw the body like this , they would have been shouting from the rooftop's , this body as been stage managed to look like a suicide , but not one of EP finest made one mention of it !! Which beg's the question , Why ?

What about taking a different angle. If it was so obvious, then surely the police officers would have staged the body better?

I don't think it was so obvious.
They did not think they were going to have to set JB up for murder at the time IMO !!

I assume that's a joke right?
It's far from a joke !!

So it's okay for you to say it's obviously staged, why didn't the police notice, but then you are quite happy to belive it was the police who badly and obviously staged the body. So your question was rhetorical?

The joke is that you accuse me of being selective, why did you single me out to ask for my take on Jeremy's list of allegations? Bearing in mind that you are clearly not interested in my view, being so steadfast in your own views, the exact thing that you accuse me of.   

Fair enough, that's your opinion, I apologise, I really did get the impression you were making a joke, but clearly not.
I am quite happy to read your view's regarding his guilt , feel free to point me in that direction anytime !!

I don't believe I've made any posts of that nature, well not many and none that I recall, the whole focus is on proving his innocence, not his guilt, in fact during the 2002 appeal the prosecution were refused permission to introduce new evidence to further their case.

You can accuse me of being one sided and biased to which I freely admit, but please do not pretend that you yourself are open to alternative views because from your reply above, clearly you are not.

I'd also appreciate it if you did not address further questions towards me, as you are clearly not interested in my answer other than to try and pick holes in it, again the very thing you accuse me of doing.

Thank you.


Congratulations, Jon, you've just joined the elite group of people that Hartley's sent to Coventry.

....Well, we're not very elite, actually, as there were about 36 of us at last count.

And the bar isn't set very high: the sole criteria is to ask a question that he doesn't wish to answer.




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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Essex police found evidence that Sheila fired rifle (SC/688/85)
« on: October 20, 2011, 05:58:PM »
Quote from: Hartley on October 20, 2011, 05:02:PM
Quote from: jackiepreece on October 20, 2011, 04:38:PM


I find you [Jackie] a bit shouty and rude

<< Line!!!


I've just attempted to catch up by quickly reading through around 40 posts you have put on this thread during the past few days, Hartley. The majority of these are very shouty, horribly rude and quite offensive.



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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Essex police found evidence that Sheila fired rifle (SC/688/85)
« on: October 19, 2011, 05:32:PM »
Quote from: Hartley on October 19, 2011, 05:01:PM
Quote from: mike tesko on October 19, 2011, 04:51:PM
Show me where I have ever claimed to have seen the recently disclosed negatives, otherwise button your lip because you are fast sounding like a prick...



So you are falling back on insults now?...


So you are falling back on insults now?...

Hartley to Mike:

"You are trying to trick people"..."you have got nothing to show us"..."your misleading tone and style of posting "..."trying to manipulate your way out of it"..."gamesmanship"..."You have tried to bamboozle people"..."Absolute rubbish"..."attempt to mislead people"..."you have tried to pass off a theory as rock solid proof"..."your attempt to mislead people"

[jackiepreece]

What a strange thing you actually seem to be proud of your behaviour

[jackiepreece]

Mike I was watching the crime channel two nights ago and Aphrodite the Author was talking to people very high up in the Police Department in America and they now believe lie detector tests are 100% accurate now when discussing a major event or crime that has happened.

Very interesting programme

[arkanoid]

Mike I was watching the crime channel two nights ago and Aphrodite the Author was talking to people very high up in the Police Department in America and they now believe lie detector tests are 100% accurate now when discussing a major event or crime that has happened.

 
 

[Hartley]

What a strange thing you actually seem to be proud of your behaviour

There's nothing wrong with my behaviour, I'm pretty sure if Mike or the two moderators thought that there was, then I would be forum reprimanded accordingly.

I would try looking closer to home.

[grahameb]

Well. I know for a cert that I shall offend people here. But I must be missing something? Or I must be particularly thick? I do apologise in advance. But I don't see anything that is particularly rude from either side? There is of course heated exchange with folk delivering as good as they get in retaliation. Just who starts these arguments is hard to say. I know one thing for sure and that is that Jackie is spot on in some of her posts concerning the information that she has gathered from Jeremy Bamber and that all is not good in the anti Bamber camp. But unfortunately tempers have been lost and there have been insults from both sides. Thank you to both Jackie and Hartley in providing the links and the information.
We will probably never bridge the gulf between the two sides on this forum. But if I can encourage all parties to be more respectful towards one another perhaps we can improve the atmosphere on the forum?

[Hartley]

Well. I know for a cert that I shall offend people here. But I must be missing something? Or I must be particularly thick? I do apologise in advance. But I don't see anything that is particularly rude from either side? There is of course heated exchange with folk delivering as good as they get in retaliation. Just who starts these arguments is hard to say. I know one thing for sure and that is that Jackie is spot on in some of her posts concerning the information that she has gathered from Jeremy Bamber and that all is not good in the anti Bamber camp. But unfortunately tempers have been lost and there have been insults from both sides. Thank you to both Jackie and Hartley in providing the links and the information.
We will probably never bridge the gulf between the two sides on this forum. But if I can encourage all parties to be more respectful towards one another perhaps we can improve the atmosphere on the forum?

Sounds good to me.

[Newbury1]

Well. I know for a cert that I shall offend people here. But I must be missing something? Or I must be particularly thick? I do apologise in advance. But I don't see anything that is particularly rude from either side? There is of course heated exchange with folk delivering as good as they get in retaliation. Just who starts these arguments is hard to say. I know one thing for sure and that is that Jackie is spot on in some of her posts concerning the information that she has gathered from Jeremy Bamber and that all is not good in the anti Bamber camp. But unfortunately tempers have been lost and there have been insults from both sides. Thank you to both Jackie and Hartley in providing the links and the information.
We will probably never bridge the gulf between the two sides on this forum. But if I can encourage all parties to be more respectful towards one another perhaps we can improve the atmosphere on the forum?

Well said Grahame 

[mertol22]

The forum will not exist without debate, Grahame you are spot on, nothing is going to change from those members of both sides, theres nothing lasting in the exchanges better than silence.