Jeremy Pictures

[chochokeira]

Remember the thing Colin said Sheila mentioned about June, that she hardly ever hugged her children, her hands just hanging down her sides.
On the photo of her holding baby Sheila, she seems very stiff, not holding the little girl in an embrace. Baby Sheila is like just propped up against June - her arm, seemingly, hanging down her side. The beby looks as if she could need a hug.
Maybe that is a lot to read into a photo. I just get this cold vibe from this photo of June. Nevill looks nice though.

There's all manner of revealling psychodynamics going on beneath the surface of this apparently happy family picture. I get exactly the same cold vibe from this photo, Abs, as you do.

Both June and Nevill look stiff and awkward and June's ultra possessive, almost demonic expression is chilling.

June was sectioned in a psychiatric hospital just a few months after this photograph was taken, wasn't she? She looks to me like a woman with deep problems. Little wonder that Nevill looks so stressed out and detached from it all.

I wonder if June simply wasn't the maternal type? Perhaps coping with an adopted baby was too much for her?

Hi, Shona. Women aren't generally sectioned under the Mental Health Act for merely being non-maternal or for post adoption stress. June was mentally ill, wasn't she?

Yes, I'm sure that you're right, Choch. I just wondered if that was what pushed her over the edge?

Yes, I think you're probably right.

[tyler]

A mother that carries her own child has 9 months to prepare and the hormones work overtime creating that "maternal instinct".Must be so strange to be given a baby,a stranger and be left to get on with it when you have had no experience watsoever.Maybe Junes problems were that she struggled to bond with Sheila (not being her own child).We tend to fall in love with our own children the moment we set eyes on them after the birth.I wonder how long it takes to "fall in love" with your adopted child?Maybe some never actually do?

[andrea]

can i just say that the pictures i have posted were from the book "in search of the rainbows end" by colin caffell, i did not take, nor do i own the pictures.

[chochokeira]

A mother that carries her own child has 9 months to prepare and the hormones work overtime creating that "maternal instinct".Must be so strange to be given a baby,a stranger and be left to get on with it when you have had no experience watsoever.Maybe Junes problems were that she struggled to bond with Sheila (not being her own child).We tend to fall in love with our own children the moment we set eyes on them after the birth.I wonder how long it takes to "fall in love" with your adopted child?Maybe some never actually do?

I think there's more than a grain of truth in that, Tyler. And yet a large number of adoptive parents do form strong bonds with the children they adopt and love them every bit as much as they would have loved their own children. An uncle and aunt of mine adopted to two children and they were wonderful parents.

[Jackiepreece]

Tyler imagine if June really did feel like that non maternal and then the relatives treated them and called them the cuckoos in the nest. What a horrible situation.

[shonapugs]

A mother that carries her own child has 9 months to prepare and the hormones work overtime creating that "maternal instinct".Must be so strange to be given a baby,a stranger and be left to get on with it when you have had no experience watsoever.Maybe Junes problems were that she struggled to bond with Sheila (not being her own child).We tend to fall in love with our own children the moment we set eyes on them after the birth.I wonder how long it takes to "fall in love" with your adopted child?Maybe some never actually do?

I totally agree. And I wonder if June had felt under pressure to produce an heir to secure the Bamber heritage?

[andrea]

Tyler imagine if June really did feel like that non maternal and then the relatives treated them and called them the cuckoos in the nest. What a horrible situation.

that would have hurt june and neville terribly, did the family actually ever say that to june and neville personally, i hope not.

[andrea]

i could put the pics of whf that were drawn by the twins, but dont think thats a good idea, would that be going too far? i would like some opinions please.

[chochokeira]

A mother that carries her own child has 9 months to prepare and the hormones work overtime creating that "maternal instinct".Must be so strange to be given a baby,a stranger and be left to get on with it when you have had no experience watsoever.Maybe Junes problems were that she struggled to bond with Sheila (not being her own child).We tend to fall in love with our own children the moment we set eyes on them after the birth.I wonder how long it takes to "fall in love" with your adopted child?Maybe some never actually do?

I totally agree. And I wonder if June had felt under pressure to produce an heir to secure the Bamber heritage?

I would think that was very much the case, Shon'. You posted a while back about this 'heir syndrome' among farming families and what you said was very true. Old faming families often have such strong bonds with their land and heritage that all else can be secondary to maintaining the continuity of this heritage.

[andrea]

i could put the pics of whf that were drawn by the twins, but dont think thats a good idea, would that be going too far? i would like some opinions please.

anybody?

[chochokeira]

i could put the pics of whf that were drawn by the twins, but dont think thats a good idea, would that be going too far? i would like some opinions please.

I feel as you do, Andrea, I can't decide.

[shonapugs]

i could put the pics of whf that were drawn by the twins, but dont think thats a good idea, would that be going too far? i would like some opinions please.

You'd have to put Colin's comments about them up too, Andy, to make some sense of them.

[andrea]

no i wont post them, its too private really, even thought they are in the public already i just feel that i shouldnt put them here.

[andrea]

im regretting posting the pictures i have put up already, i feel a bit shitty because ive done it 

i said earlier the pics when i look at them in a book dont bother me, but now theyre on here its really got to me and im not sure ive done the right thing to be honest.

The pictures we have seen on here so far have mostly been about the night in question and we have studied and scrutinised them to see what we can "tell" from them. But now the family pics are now along side them its given it a more "human" feel, not just something to pick over. does that make sense 

[shonapugs]

im regretting posting the pictures i have put up already, i feel a bit shitty because ive done it 

i said earlier the pics when i look at them in a book dont bother me, but now theyre on here its really got to me and im not sure ive done the right thing to be honest.

The pictures we have seen on here so far have mostly been about the night in question and we have studied and scrutinised them to see what we can "tell" from them. But now the family pics are now along side them its given it a more "human" feel, not just something to pick over. does that make sense 

Don't be daft, Andy. The pictures are all out there already, if people want to find them. I, for one, don't ever want to lose the human feel of this case.